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Moe,

Do you think a president is a god? I didn't think anyone did that.

Curly

Wow! And for all this time, I thought our presidents were merely politicians. If you think any president is a god, then I suspect you may have been smoking that incense.

Moe, why don't you move to Russia, or another formerly communist country. Live there a few years, and then come back and talk about how bad America is. OK?

Gaudior, saying God Bless America!

Dear Moe,

You mentioned:

" Funny how he never mentioned any of the mistakes his administration has made... Wrecking the US
economy..."

President Bush inherited a recession from Pres. Clinton. In addition to that, we had 9/11 which could have thrown us into a depression. Our President reacted quickly. He immediately lowered taxes, so that the economy could start moving. To his credit, it did!

You mentioned:

"... getting us involved in an immoral and illegal war..."

You seem to forget that our planes were being shot at each and everyday by Saddam Hussein. You also forgot that he refused to allow the UN officials into Iraq to check for weapons.

I believe there were 13 resolutions condemning Iraq at the UN for non compliance. What were you waiting for; ten thousand.

You mentioned:

"... trashing our reputation around the world..."

I don't recall us ever being liked...but then again, let's not forget how Pres. Clinton raised the world's perception of us with his highly moral actions. I'm thinking about Monica...

Then again, didn't he trash Kosovo. Doesn't seem to be much on the news about what's going on there. The Christian Serb minority is leaving because the UN soldiers are not protecting them, and I believe all the Orthodox Churches and monasteries have been demolished...

Of course, all this is contrary to Pres. Clinton's promises to the Serb minority. Talk about failures!


You mentioned:

"Now he is wanting to dismantle Social Security so his buddies on Wall Street can
make more money, while costing taxpayers billions.
What a wonderful president he is!"

You don't seem to realize that the amount of money people are getting from Social Security is not livable. In the future, it will be worse. Should he sit back and not care?

As for the rest of what you said, I haven't seen you back any of it. You know it's just garbage.

Zenovia

Dear Zenovia,

I thought about some of the same things you did, but for the sake of the peace of the forum, it is best to just leave it...because such responses will only bring the next 'round'.

May God bless all our Presidents with enlightenment and wisdom, as they carry a great weight--and no President, whether his name is Kennedy, Clinton, Reagan or Bush is perfect! *WINK*

In Christ,
Alice

You seem to have missed the point, stipulated by the Administration, that the proposed changes have no effect on securing the solvency of the system.

Dwight David Eisenhower:

"The system is not intended as a substitute for private savings, pension plans, and insurance protection. It is, rather, intended as the foundation upon which these other forms of protection can be soundly built. Thus, the individual's own work, his planning and his thrift will bring him a higher standard of living upon his retirement, or his family a higher standard of living in the event of his death, than would otherwise be the case. Hence the system both encourages thrift and self-reliance, and helps to prevent destitution in our national life." -January 14, 1954

Moe,

Your defensiveness makes it difficult to help you. Since you have placed me on your "ignore" list I cannot send you anything privately. Yet, what I wish to write to you could well be helpful not only to you but to many others as well. I'll check back later today. If I'm still on your private ignore list I will put my advice to you on this public forum. It could make all the difference in the world.

Dan L

The proposals are designed to help people secure their own futures. As we know it Social Security is something of a scam. I think you do know this. Yet, perhaps there may be two or three people in the country who don't know this so I shall outline the two primary reasons it is something of a scam. The original intent of SS was not to scam people but that is what it has become.

First, SS as we know it is a scam because on average it does not give a return even equal to what one would get in a passbook savings account. The system sucks an enormous amount of money out of the economy and out of our pockets only to return it and no more and probably a lot less upon our retirement. In most other investments the NASD and SEC would have this kind of program up on Federal Charges.

Second, SS as we know it is a scam because as designed now it cannot even support itself. Virtually everyone knows that when SS started there were several workers for every retiree. The large number of workers could easily support the retirees. Today we have a 3:1 ratio and it is becoming impossible for the ratio to support the system. Only a few years ago almost every Democrat and Republican were singing the same song. They convinced all of us not simply with rhetoric but with evidence that the system needed either very serious reform or it needs to be scrapped. The only and obvious reason that so many Dems now are singing a different song is for one of the oldest American political reasons in existence. They don't want the opposing party's president to get credit for a program they know needs drastic reform. There is also another reason: They aren't personally dependent upon the program so they don't give a care whether it survives or not. They are banking on the hope that they will be out of office when it does collapse and so they don't care.

If the issue was who the next president's visage would be carved on a mountain in South Dakota it wouldn't matter. But this is a vital issue to the welfare of most Americans. The Dems cynical moves in this area are inexcusable.

A plan that combines security with some growth is just what our retirees need and the only one that can survive.

Dan L

BTW I'm of the opinion that the President's proposals don't go nearly far enough. The system should eventually be scrapped. We should start with allowing people to invest at least 20% of their contributions in products that give a return. Then in a few years that percentage should increase until eventually all of the contributions would be in productive accounts and the system as we know it would no longer exist.

But at least our President has got us started on the road to recovery of a sensible retirement assistance program.

Dan L

John Fitzgerald Kennedy...
"It is with great satisfaction that I have signed into law the Social Security Amendments of 1961. They represent an additional step toward eliminating many of the hardships resulting from old-age, disability, or the death of the family wage earner. . . . A Nation's strength lies in the well being of its people. The social security program plays an important part in providing for families, children, and older persons in time of stress, but it cannot remain static. Changes in our population, in our working habits, and in our standard of living require constant revision." -June 30, 1961

I would like to state that I agree with Moe - not only on his political opinion, but on his assessment of some forum members' attitudes towards those who hold different opinions.

We all have political opinions, that is clear. however, this is a religious, and not political forum. I also take part in a Christian Goth site, and they have a section reserved for political opinions. perhaps there should be a #10 for that purpose. let's not the world divide us. okay?
Much Love,
Jonn

Wisdom, let us be attentive !

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Originally posted by Pani Rose:

Dwight David Eisenhower:

"The system is not intended as a substitute for private savings, pension plans, and insurance protection. It is, rather, intended as the foundation upon which these other forms of protection can be soundly built. Thus, the individual's own work, his planning and his thrift will bring him a higher standard of living upon his retirement, or his family a higher standard of living in the event of his death, than would otherwise be the case. Hence the system both encourages thrift and self-reliance, and helps to prevent destitution in our national life." -January 14, 1954

Rose, Thanks for the excellent posting!

Paul

Dear John,

Yes, I can't believe people could use this thread to make crass political comments against President George W. Bush, Head of State of the USA and leader of the free world.

It just boggles the mind that some could use this religious site for political statements . . .

Alex