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Can anyone provide a good home for this Evangelion [cgi.ebay.com] ? Unfortunately, I am not in the position to make a bid on this item.

Хрїстосъ воскрεсε изъ мєртвыхъ, смεртїю на смεрть наступи, и грωбнымъ животъ дарова!

This chap inherited it (priest's Bible) from his grandfather and he wants to sell it! SHAME on him!

Maybe we can take up a collection from everyone here and outbid everyone on it!

Or better yet we can let the rich Doctor buy it!

I would chip in $20. Maybe Father Anthony would know of a good place for it to go. Could it be donated to a GO parish or Holy Cross Seminary?

Gordo

Gordo, Christ is Risen!

I am sure that a church that would treasure and venerate it could be found easily. The point being is that it does not fall in to the hands of someone that may not have reverence for it.

The first priority would be to liberate it from the grips of an online auction.

In the Risen Christ,
Father Anthony+

PS I will also match your contribution.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God, you hear the hearts of your people present here crying out for a book that must have been so loved by your priest servant. Jesus make a way where we see no way, get this precious book into hands that will love and care for it. In your name Jesus all things are possible. Amen.

A common urban legend is that doctors are rich. Maybe Atkins, Perricone, Agaston, et al are. Not this one, I have $137,000+ in school loans and probably another $100K in business debt. Plus, malpractice insurance and the managed care groups have managed to take their share as well.

But I'd contribute as much as I could if we could really do it and make sure everyone pays his/her share. I wonder if we could start a not-for-profit group to buy back these relics and other holy items.

Still no bids on it. Though it is the type of thing to hold off on bidding for until the last minute. I'd suggest any further discussion should be made in private as this is a public forum. It would stink if the author of the ebay auction saw this thread and then bid against you in an effort to raise the price and see how high you'd go or some such. With such limited funds available, he'd probably fail at such a plot pretty quickly. However, I wouldn't put it past some people trying. Any museums or historical societies who might like to pitch in perhaps? I don't people on general care where the money is coming from for the most part, so long as it is coming. Still 5 days to plan...

Father Anthony,

I agree. I would help to coordinate this, but I will be travelling the day the auction ends. Is there anyone willing to be the buyer here?

Gordo

Gordo, Christ is Risen!

I am serious also, but I would rather someone else handle the bidding and money situation. Then it can be decided as to where to place it. As far as going private on the discussion we have two options, one being Pani Rose's online chat area that is sponsored by Jason (Roman Redneck) or our ByzChat area if it still exists. We have to hurry though, because the bidding closes this Saturday.

In the Risen Christ,
Father Anthony+

I will send you a PM on my thoughts regarding this ASAP. The morning coffee is hitting the brain and I have an idea. No bids yet!

Christ is Risen!

Several members of the Forum have been discussing this item via PM and interest has been shown in possibly as a collective group bidding and possibly if the bid is won donating the item to a church or seminary. Details are being worked out. Hopefully, by this evening or tomorrow morning we will be able to make known our plans in this venture and invite those that are interested in participating.

Please check back on this thread this evening and in the morning. Hopefully, we will as a group be able to help place this gospel book in place of veneration.

In the Risen Christ,
Father Anthony+

Christ is Risen!

I know time is of the essence in this matter, but things are being worked out so that we can collectively do this as a group. Please bear with us as we set this up right, so that if something comes along we will not have such a delay.

Please know that there are several members working on getting this done in a proper manner. If it was up to one individual, it would be much easier, but several have indicated a willingness to be involved.

I will keep you posted.

In the Risen Christ,
Father Anthony+

Christ is Risen!

Yesterday myself and a few other posters Catholic, Byzantine Catholic, and Orthodox came up with the idea of setting up a fraternal association with the aim of bidding for this item and God-willing winning the bid and donating it to either Holy Cross Seminary or another institution of the Greek Orthodox Church. It was suggested that the aim be expanded to work for ongoing purchases of items sacred and donate them to an appropiate church body. This would include authenticated relics, and other sacred items that would either wind up in a private holding or possibly not be venerated. I have also sought the approval of our forum administrator before bringing this to public attention, of which he has given his "blessing".

Well, the paperwork is much more involved than originally anticipated. I have a few of our posters (again Catholic of both varieties and Orthodox) dedicated to be active to monitor any funds used in this purpose, and all donors to the cause would have a voting say in how the funds are to be expended with full open disclosure to all involved.

Beacuse of the delay that will be necessary to process the paperwork with the appropiate goverment agencies, I can not see the formation of the fraternal group completed for a couple of weeks.

What I propose is that I will make the bid on eBay using my bidding account and using my personal credit card to secure the transaction if the bid is successful. Any posters t hat are willing to contribute can contact me via PM, and I will give them the proposed name of the association, and instructions to were to post the check. When all the paperwork has cleared and a proper account can be set up, I will request the reimbursement for the evangelion. I will also contact Holy Cross Seminary or Saint Basil Academy to see if either will accept the donattion and if they would please acknowledge each contributor individually for the appropiate tax deduction paperwork.

I want this handled clear and above board for all so that no question will be had. I have been in contact with one of our members that is in the banking industry and he will be ultimately handling all the final financial details.

Again any questions or information, please feel to PM me.

In the Risen Christ,
Father Anthony+

Here is the link chat if you need it, Jason changed his store and I am not certain it is the same link
http://www.brimsjewelry.com/SetupAgape2.exe

Pani,
I cannot get the page to open for me. Many months back, I downloaded the chat software and was unable to get it working. I attributed it to lack of participation at the time, but now I am pulling up a 404 Page Not Found error.

Ok All, Christ is Risen!

The bid is in and confirmed. We are currently the high bidder. Just for those who want to follow it, the bid is under the name of "Greek Abbot".

Now, what we need is the prayers of all!

Also for those interested, I have been contacted and have agreed to consider a monastery in Long Island under the Patriarchate of Jerusalem for placement of the Evangelion if the bid is won. They have agreed to accept the donation.

In the Risen Christ,
Father Anthony+

Oh know i hope Jason didn't change it again. Will get right back to you. I clicked on it and got page not found.

This is very nice to see. Actually, I have been doing this on my own for a few years. I have saved a Plaschanitsa, 3 chalice sets, priest and deacon vestments and numerous icons, all of which have been donated to missions. Maybe a fraternal rescue organization might be worth considering, with all assets distributed to mission parishes?

Alexandr

Dear Alexandr, Christ is Risen!

It is actually being set up as we speak. It will just take a couple weeks to get all the official paperwork from the goverment. In the meantime, time is of the essence and we are going ahead with the bids.

In the Risen Christ!
Father Anthony+

I would agree there, Alexandr. I think missions, monastic communities, schools and extant parishes (not extinct!) would be worthy recipients (both Orthodox and Catholic).

Gordo

"Maybe a fraternal rescue organization might be worth considering, with all assets distributed to mission parishes?

Alexandr "

A great idea! perhaps we could also start a Fraternal Organization for the purpose of starting Mission Parishes. I have never encountered a Byzantine Catholic Mission, though I know of one or 2, far far away. I think that only donating assets to Missions is a bad idea however. I feel that this particular Evangelion would best be donated to a Seminary or Monastery will it more likely be used for study, etc.

Agreed! I merely stated mission parishes as it has been my experience that those are the ones in greatest need. I am in agreement on sending the Evangelion to a monastery or seminary where it will be used.

Alexandr, who fondly remembers having Church services in a 2 car detached garage with everything being donated.

Dear Wondering the link is working now. Jason had forgotten to upload it to his new server. Here it is on my store if you want to see it there.
http://www.agapeicons.com/site/1286684/product/0

If you have any problem just pm me and I will get Jason to help you out.

Pani Rose

That worked! It shows another user on, but she is apparently away from the computer. Perhaps I'll catch you sometime...

So far, we are still the only bidder. Keep praying!

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+

With less than a day to go, we are still the only bid. Keep praying!!!!

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+

Father Anthony,

It isn't in the days before that one need to worry, but the minutes. I think it is helpful that your account was used so that others might be deterred seeing that a religious has already bid on it. My prayers are with you and the evangelion!

I have a paypal account if needed for payment. However, I am seriously lacking funds at this time (in the process of looking for work), so I would need contributions for the total cost to pay the bill. Just an offer. And if the tiem is won, I will ensure it is sent as directed.

Michael

We won!

I have just been notified that that we have won. For those that have pledged please contact me.

I will be making the payment as promised from my credit card. As soon as it is received and the evangelion can be placed, I will try to get a photo of the actual handing over of it to the recipient and place it here for all to see.

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+

Glory to Jesus Christ!

Glory Forever!

Alleluia!

Fr. Anthony,

It occurred to me just now that the man who auctioned the evangelion said the owner was his own grandfather. Did anyone think to ask him for a picture of his grandfather or to try to track down a picture of him to go with the evangelion? Any information he can provide (like jurisdiction, location, name) could help to trace the history of it.

Wondering
~A sentimentalist~

Dear Wondering,

No, I and the others did not think of such. If it really did not have any sentimental attachment to him, and that he did not want to donate such an item, we will just have to leave it as such.

Sorry about that.

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+

Glory to God!

The evangelion just arrived a few moments ago. I carefully unpacked it, and placed it temporarily in the chapel in my residence. It is everything the photos on the website showed.

Now, a number of posters and I are trying to arrange a mutually convient date to bring it to its final placement. I will post more when the date is agreed upon. We will definitely post the actual photos of the event when it occurs.

Dear Wondering,

There is some inscription in the cover, but it is quite faded. So there is some historical root to its original owner.

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+

Dear Father Anthony,

I must have missed something...where will its final placement be?

Thanks,
Alice

Alice,

It will be donated to the Jerusalem Patriarchal Monastery on Long Island. They were the first to accept the donation offer.

I believe it was mentioned earlier in the thread.

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+

Dear Father Anthony,

Thanks.

After coming home from work, I try to skim through as much as I can, (and after a full day, that can often be alot) but I often do miss posts.

As you know, a Moderator's work is never done!

Regards,
Alice

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The article even mentions Ebay!