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Dear Myles you posted:

"Muslim Extremists Murder Philippine Christians."

I say:

And what else is knew? Are there any Muslim borders that are not bloody? I guess when there are no more borders, then the few people that are left will have to become Muslim.

You people in Europe have it rough though. Our workers are illegals from Mexico, but that's okay, we need them...at least here in the Northeast and they are Christians. You in Europe though have Muslims..and they seem to refuse to become integrated. I heard that terrorists are smuggled into Bosnia and now will be entering and working in Kosovo.

I recall that when Pres. Clinton went to war against the Serbs for 'Kosovo', it did worry the Europeans. They did not want a totally Muslim state in Europe. He promised that Kosovo will remain part of Serbia. So much for that it seems.

Well now the Europeans will have that Muslim state. So much for the policies of the past administration. All the churches and monasteries have been destroyed, and the Christians, (as usual) have left or are leaving.

Why do I feel there is a world wide agenda in all this. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Zenovia

"Our workers are illegals from Mexico, but that's okay, we need them...at least here in the Northeast and they are Christians. "

How do you know they are from Mexico and Christian?

A Muslim female terrorist slipped in a couple of months ago. Good thing we caught her.

And what if they are Christians. What difference does that make? They are still syphoning off of whatever money you make. Who knows if later they deceide to riot and burn for more "rights"???

Wasn't there a Christian Order of Knights at one time (I believe the Order of St. John) who were dedicated to protecting the innocent from the scourge of Muslim murderers?

It looks like there is a need for such an order today.

What a tragedy. God bless these martyrs and may their murderers be converted to the true faith.

Dear Mike C you said:

"And what if they are Christians. What difference does that make? They are still syphoning off of whatever money you make. Who knows if later they deceide to riot and burn for more "rights"???

I say:

I know that some terrorists can come in with the illegals, but I think the CIA probably has that covered in Mexico....hopefully?

We in the Northeast do need them badly. They are our waiters, gardeners, painters, house cleaners, etc., etc., etc. They need the money and are grateful for whatever they get. Oh my gosh! With what we are paying now for services, I can just imagine what would happen if we didn't have them. Do you realize that a plumber and electrician in this area charge over $150.00 an hour?

Zenovia

edited to add, Administrator, I know this has gotten off topic so please let us know if you'd like us to start a new thread - thanks!

I know you don't mean it this way, Zenovia, but think about what you're saying here. You're saying that the end justifies the means - that because you and I don't want to pay a plumber or electrician a lot of money, it's therefore OK for illegal immigrants to do the same work for much less money, even though they're operating completely outside the law.

Forget the terrorists and our U.S. economy and all that for a moment - doesn't that consign those people to what basically amounts to slave labor? The Scripture say that "the laborer is worthy of his hire" - doesn't that apply to Mexicans too?

Just because these good and decent folks are willing to work for what basically amounts to slave wages, doesn't mean we should be willing to let them do so.

Hi Theist Gal, Mike C. and Zenovia,

Zenovia, I do not want to speak for you, so please correct me if this is wrong.

I believe Zenovia is stating that we need the services of immigrant laborers, whether legal or not, to do the hard and dirty physical labor that the European descendents of our country are not prepared or willing to perform anymore.

Down here, without the migrant worker, the crops in Florida would suffer, and the actual output of oranges, peppers, onions, strawberries, etc. would seriously decrease due to lack of willingness of the local population to perform this backbreaking and low wage paying work. Sad to say, this has replaced the slave labor that was in effect in the Southern portion of the US in the 19th century. Another example, our local garbage companies have caucasion drivers but the actual laborers who pick up the waste are legal resident aliens. The jobs are open to all, but no one will apply for them. Additionally, when I worked at a huge Credit Card company down here, the entire cleaning staff was composed of immigrants, with the majority not able to speak sufficient English for more challenging work. The "drivers" in this case are Korean, and the laborers are recent Cuban immigrants. The jobs are open to all, but only a certain few will apply due to the hard work and low wages.

One thing that is in common to most of our migrant workers is there undying faith in Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Even though they barely make enough to make ends meet for themselves and their families, the entire family attends church on Sunday and is sure to put a tithe in the basket at the local RC Church.

The many Cuban refugees that I knew did not care about organized religion, coming from an oppressed nation, so they are the example.

Mike C., regarding the "slipping" in of Muslims, we only have to look to our northern borders to find the most infractions.

Dear Theist Gal, You are right. However, the problem starts with us. If we will not do the work, then who will? The migrant worker. Do you shop at Wal-marts? Anyone who patronizes Wal-Marts is helping to de-industrialize the United States. I myself am guilty because I want to save a few dollars. But now that I have discovered the true impact, and the $3.00 gallon of Vlasic pickles, I am working on trying to spend less money there and more in my local grocery store, clothing store, etc. If you are interested, there are/were some great articles within the last few weeks on the impact to our nation thanks to the Walton family.

Zenovia, does this coincide with your original post?

With affection,

Michael

I also don't want to get off topic, but Wal-Mart was the first company to get their products from China. Sweatshops, Human Rights abuses, torture, murder, etc... Always low prices, always.

In response to the topic, Hillaire Belloc was right.

Originally posted by lost&found:
Well, once again, I disagree because I think there are plenty of people who are willing to do the work - but they're not willing to do it for a substandard wage and zero benefits. Illegal immigrants ARE willing to do so -- because it's that or nothing. And employers who don't want to pay one cent more than they can get away with are more than willing to give them as little above nothing as possible.

Once again, I ask - even if it means cheaper prices at Wal-Mart - is this system fair to the illegals themselves?

Also, what about those who have gone to the trouble to legally migrate to the U.S.? How do you think it makes them feel, to watch others break the law and get jobs and housing and even bank loans? What incentive is there for would-be legal immigrants to obey the law?

And for what it's worth, I don't shop at Wal-Mart unless it's unavoidable - for many reasons.

Yea, I don't shop at Wal-Mart either. I can't afford their prices. But actually, now, many of the illegals aren't just working as crop pickers and other demeaning jobs. Records show that there are illegals working at professional jobs too. (why pay $150 for a plumber when an illegal immigrant will charge only $50??)

Right! And I don't fault the illegal for that at all - most of them are, after all, just trying to make a living for their families.

However, the person who's PAYING the $50, instead of the $150, is doing not one, but two, immoral things:

1. Encouraging another human being (the illegal) to sin by breaking the law of their country.

2. Refusing to support another human being (the plumber) by not paying them the wages they must charge in order to stay in business legally.