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Dear Pavel you said:

"Zenovia it is not good enough to be seen to be living by one set of values and yet profess internally a different set of values. Going elsewhere for an abortion or anything else that is sinful makes a mockery of the whole exercise."

I say:

You took me wrong my friend. I believe that Florida town is facing reality, for it is society that forms the minds of the young. If these teenagers are going to be hopping from one bed to another because it is socially acceptable to do so, and socially unacceptable not to do so, then what difference abortion? They will only go somewhere else to have one.

Zenovia

...And one more thing! If the people in that town are truly pious, then I'd much rather be there than in any other part of Florida during a hurricane.

Zenovia

Pavel,

Help me understand what you are saying. Do you mean that people who live in an area will necessarily have an abortion and if so they may as well be honest enough to have it in their own neighborhood? I doubt that is what you mean but in any event it seems as if you are suggesting that people must have abortions.

CDL

Dear CDL you wrote to Pavel:

"Help me understand what you are saying. Do you mean that people who live in an area will necessarily have an abortion and if so they may as well be honest enough to have it in their own neighborhood? I doubt that is what you mean but in any event it seems as if you are suggesting that people must have abortions."

I say:

I believe Pavel stated the above because he had misinterpreted my post.

Zenovia

No I am definately not saying any such thing. Thank God I have just come from church!!!

We have already seen such places set up at community and state level in various parts of the world.

You dont know how people are behaving next door where you live now, so how are you going to know they do little more than manifest external but have a double life of some sort in Shangi-la when it is up and running. All the externals put in place will not indicate how they really live.

I gave a sample of a country with all the right externals and all the world knew how Catholic whey were but when the lid blew off it revealed a highly abusive society. All I can say what have you guys missed out on all your very public trials of recent years what lessons about your world have you not understood. These acts happened in your country, the country I believe that has the highest numbers of actual church attenders in the world.

What your telling me is that you will live more virtuously in this town than how you live where you are now. Somehow it will probably go down hill after one generation, so you tell me. You live in in societies like I do where we dont know what our neighbours do in their own home now, so whats going to be different if we relocate elsewhere.
So why put yourselves down and suggest you will be better Christians in another place. You have no idea who in your community is inspired by you to live a better life based on their observations of you and yours. Just because they never told you does not mean you dont witness to them.

Anyway enough of me on this topic. I have weeds to pull.

Have a good and holy start to the Great Lent.

ICXC
NIKA

Assumption is near the Michigan border. There is the church, a few houses, and surrounded by farms. My grandma was married in the Church there!

By the way, thank you so much for the welcome!

God bless,
Catholic peasant

It seems that most small Catholic rural communities were German. Our area was settled by German and Luxembourg immigrants. There are quite a few German Catholic communities down near Maria Stein.

I agree with your last paragraph. Do you think clotheslines and vegetable gardens and laying hens will be allowed in the backyards. I'm guessing not.

God bless,
Catholic peasant

I grew up not far from Assumption on the Michigan side but never actually went into the tiny town. I think I shall the next time I'm in that area.

CDL

Pavel,

I'm not sure that the homosexual perversions exposed in recent years would have been much different if all of our priests had not been in community. Like you wrote: "We don't even know what our neighbors are up to now, why should we think it any better in a place like Ave Maria?" (Not a quite but I hope I got your drift.) I also realize that Utopias don't last long. But we know that the spirit of any group doesn't last long and that revival is always needed.

Nevertheless, for me it's not about controlling my neighbors or even of having them controlling me. It is about being in a Christian environment. The breakdown of community life in America is profound. There is a serious collapse of consensus in public morals. Whereas, one could expect nearly 100% Church attendance in past generations we now face a 20% participation level.

Are we looking in the wrong places for community? I don't think so. But even if we are what is the option?

CDL

Dear Pavel you said:

"What your telling me is that you will live more virtuously in this town than how you live where you are now. Somehow it will probably go down hill after one generation, so you tell me. You live in in societies like I do where we dont know what our neighbours do in their own home now, so whats going to be different if we relocate elsewhere."

I say:

You know, I'm Greek Orthodox, and I have personally found that the Greek Orthodox people in the American Bible belt are much more devout. That is because the society around them is devout. In other words, society does affect those that live within it.

Now taking into account that our young people are exposed to all kinds of obscenities from the media, computors and magazines, wouldn't it be smart to exclude those obscenities from their life before it becomes 'reality' for them?

The problem is that if one were to exclude these things from their own home alone, their children are bound to come in contact with those things in their friends home.

Sooo! What if their neighbors decided to exclude these things from their own home. In other words, the people living in this town, chose to live there because they were aware of what was going on and wanted a morally 'safe' environment for their children.

We are not talking about adults here! At least I'm not.

Zenovia