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And I refer back to my first question: If we make nice with the Jihadists will they stop bothering everybody?
Unfortunately no. Has anyone seen Father Richard John Neuhaus's article in "First Things" # 162 April 2006?

In "The Public Square" he speaks about how we are to understand this conflict in "The Two-hundred Year War". He offers an analysis of the books he was reading:

"The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order" by Samuel Huntington

"The Closed Circle" by David Pryce-Jones

"Dream Palace of the Arabs" and "The Arab Predicament" by Fouad Ajami

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"The Crisis of Islam" and "What went wrong" by Bernard Lewis.

Father Neuhaus agrees with Mary Habeck (of John Hopkins) who wrote "Knowing the Enemy: Jihadist Ideology and the War on Terror"

From Fr. Neuhaus...

"As is obvious in Europe, that vision [of the final victory for Islam, eg. when all the world is Moslem] is powerfully appealing to young Muslims, including those who are second or third-generation immigrants. The jihadis declare that they are prepared for a war of two hundred years, or as long as it takes, even to the Day of Judgment."

Are we prepared to be better Christians than they are Moslems, and can we work (even if it takes two hundred years) until Christ is all, in all?

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[b] I wouldn't say moral equivalence, rather moral continuity.
What's the difference? [/b]
I don't like to talk in terms of moral equivalence because from there it is a short step to the "WE are not so bad; just look at what THEY do!" blindness. Look at the Palestinians and Israelis: neither side can see the evil they do as they are blinded by the evil of their enemies [though more Palestinians have been killed by Israelis than Israelis by Palestinians, if you are looking for a quantitative standard].
But quantitative standards don't apply. Lives become an abstraction, when they are anything but. Is the Armenian genocide unimportant because "only" a million Armenians died and 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis? Is 9/11 not the moral equivalent of Hiroshima because only a fraction of numbers of the Japanese dead were killed in the Twin Towers?
Secondly, how are we judging moral equivalence? Subjectively? Those Iraqi children you see in the photos are considered "collateral damage" by those who bombed them for the sake of [at best] spreading democracy or deposing a tyrant.
But the jihadists, however misguided, believe they are killing and dying for the sake of the literal reign of God.
This subjective question of motivation is important: most Americans, even Catholics who should know better, justify the targeting of civilians in World War II by appealing to the good that came from it. Even Christians are transformed into full blown relativists, consequentialists who justify evil in the name of a greater good. By this standard, the jihadists have the highest motivation, the reign of God on the earth.
On the other hand, if there is objective moral truth, killing the innocent is never just, no matter what.
And do not forget that the Holy See called this war unjust. "Collateral" deaths in an unjust cause are murder.
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Nick- If the Rev Neuhaus is reading Huntington and Lewis of course that is his conclusion: Garbage in, garbage out.
Neuhaus was and is among those who argued against the Holy See that this "preemptive" war was just. I don't believe they have even said "I'm sorry" when it turned out that Iraq no longer has WMD and their fear was unjustified....
-Daniel

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