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Al Queda calls Queen \'enemy of Islam\' [uk.news.yahoo.com]

This one's for you Dr Roman

Al Queda's messages of love and reason never fail to warm the cockles of one's heart....


In the U.S. we have a short history, and as ridiculous as it seems, countries that have been around for millenia seem to harbor millenia and century old grudges, fears, suspicions, and worse: paranoias.

Having just finished seeing the series on the Crusaders, Cross and Crescent, I remembered this.
As one of the commentators, an author, observed, after 9/11, the Islamic world saw the U.S. start up the Crusades again...(ofcourse, the innocent use of the 'c' word by our President-- though I love him-- was not at all helpful)

I am afraid that we are in some sort of worldwide 'jihad', and the 'crusade' is one of implementing democracy in the Middle East, not Christianity, though the Muslim world doesn't seem to see it this way and I don't foresee them accepting otherwise any time soon.

As barbaric as the crusaders were, Christian civilization seems to have progressed a bit since then. On the other hand, the idea of blowing one's self up-- taking one's own precious life bestowed by God-- in order to kill countless others still leaves most of the Western world speechless. I wonder how the majority adherents of Islam feel about this, considering how many of their own are killed by this insanity.

May our Lord God help us all!

In Christ,
Alice

Just thinking...
All of these moments, does the terrorist target the Pope?
Probably the Pope was the worst 'enemy' in their list, but looks like the last enemy to be handled with in their list too...

God saves the Pope....

Is there anyone who ISN'T an enemy of "Islam" aka Al Queda? Certainly no one in the civilized world.

Sam

Well said! :rolleyes:

Alice

Friends- Let us be careful not to equate Islam with Al Queda; we are witnessing a long overdue Islamic reaction to Al Queda. Let us not play into their hands by calling all Muslims terrorists!
-Daniel

Dan,
I don't mean to imply Al Queda IS Islam. Rather the radical group Al Queda THINKS it is the mouthpiece of true Islam, declaring whomever they choose to be an enemy of the same.

Sam

Dear Sam,

I understood that you were not implying that Al Queda represents Islam .
I believew that it is also clear in my post.

I think that Daniel is just trying to be proactive about warning us not to generalize.

Alice

Dear Daniel you said:

Friends- Let us be careful not to equate Islam with Al Queda; we are witnessing a long overdue Islamic reaction to Al Queda. Let us not play into their hands by calling all Muslims terrorists!
-Daniel

I say:

Actually I think Islamic reaction against the terrorists is because Muslims are killing other Muslims...and/or that it might be detrimental to Islam.

But either way, it is some sort of progress. Besides, democracy goes against the very tenets of Islam and if a democracy could be established in Iraq the most progressive Islamic state....

Thanks be to God, (or Bush)!

Zenovia

Alice,

Thank you. I do see Daniel's point and agree it is easy for Christians to label the whole of Islam as terrorist. I would wish reciprocity from those of the Islamic Faith who label us as well.

There are crazies in every group. How they are permitted to go so far into their insanity is beyond me!

Sam

Do not underestimate the bitterness of the Islamic world toward the West, which in their eyes has humiliated them. And don't underestimate their outrage at the immorality of the USA, which is combined with self-righteousness on our part.
In the past this has led to silence at the outrages committed by Islamic terrorists. It is sort of like moderate Irishmen, who nevertheless did not speak out against the IRA because they loathed the British more.
Now that Al Queda is attacking Muslim civilians with impunity it is a wake up call. Let us not be cynical that it took this; it is really an example of human nature; sort of like Americans excusing the deaths of civilians at Hiroshima, but finding it intolerable in NYC in 2001.
-Daniel

I would argue that theocratic dictatorships also go against the tenets of Islam and that this is a modern phenomena contributed to by Western political forces.

Some types of democracy also go against Christianity, as various Popes have taught us.

As for the queen, she - claiming as her infamous ancestors, to be the "head" of the anglicans - is an "enemy" of the Church as well.

ELizabeth II is no more "Head" of the Church of Englandd than I am the Grand Mufti of Egypt.

Such a common criticism to use...

"Let us not be cynical that it took this; it is really an example of human nature; sort of like Americans excusing the deaths of civilians at Hiroshima, but finding it intolerable in NYC in 2001."
-Daniel

I don't get it. Please explain.

The Pope has been the target of terrorists.

I mean that Americans consider it justifiable to kill civilians in warfare [eg, Hiroshima and other WWII atrocities] but if Osama bin Laden uses the same logic to justify an attack on the World Trade Center [which after all was the economic center of the West] it is condemned as barbarous.
The example is not speculative; in justifying the 9/11 attacks, bin Laden indeed invoked the atomic bombings to show that killing civilians can be morally justified...
We need a morality that is consistent, not one that thinks an act is moral or immoral depending on the circumstances or that it is always moral if our side does it in the name of a greater good.
-Daniel