www.byzcath.org Forums General Discussions Town Hall Why I do not plan on changing jurisdictions

incognitus,

was that the translation published by the Oriental Congregation in 1963 or 1964? I had forgotten about that one. It seemed suited for monastic use (IIRC, there were commemorations for the superior, archimandrite, hegumen, etc as well as the monastery). It sounded a bit "foreign" to me,i.e., very castellano as opposed to the americano dialect. So no doubt, the Urcranios in Spain might be more comfortable with Fr.de Ballester's translation. Of course, depending where the Ukrainians are located in the Iberian peninsula, the American or Castillian dialect may not be suited to them at all.

Hritzko,

are the Ukrainians in Spain by any chance gathered in the northwest province of Galicia?

I believe there was also a Ukrainian/Spanish pew book in use in the Eparchy of Argentina printed during the tenure of Kyr Andrei Sapelak as I recall for the Millenium [1988].

The de Ballester version unfortunately I think didn't get much circulation. Another person I might suggest to talk with about this issue is Father Juan Soles at St. Michael's Russian Catholic Church in NYC, himself a native of Spain [Barcelona as I recall].

Deacon John, I thought the Galicians were really Celts... Anyway, Carlos Nunez and those wonderful Galician bagpipes [gaita] make for some excellent folk music.

Father Deacon - didn't know that the Oriental Congregation had issued a Spanish translation; to the best of my knowledge I've never seen it. But from your brief description it sounds as if it's based on the "Ruthenian Recension". Father Pablo de Ballester is/was a priest of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, so his translation would have been made straight from Greek.
Yes, the Galicians (in Iberia, at least) are a Celtic people.
Incognitus

For what it's worth....

Iconocphile, I can understand your feelings regarding the multiple EC ethnicities.

However, I have found a home in the East. As I've said before on the Forum, my wife and I are in the process of transferring our membership from the Roman Church to the Ruthenian Byzantine Church. Aside from a love for the DL and the theology and traditions of the East, our decision was also based on the fact that all three of our kids have been Byzantines since they were chrismated in Alaska almost six years ago.

The ethnic consideration in our decision is essentially non-existant, given that my wife and I are both WASP in our ethnic heritage. Don't know for sure about my better half, but my EC persuasion is very definitely Russophilic. Were I ever to quit the Catholic Church, my path would be a beeline for Russian Orthodoxy. :p

Sorry, I tend to ramble. The long and short of it in my book is that, if you're heart is drawn Eastward, why not make it official regardless of the "ethnic jurisdiction" your nearest EC parish happens to be ?

+Blessings of Christ our God

Dad

OOPS!!

I wrote "if you're heart is drawn eastward" s/b "if your heart..."

God Bless,

Dad

We are also Roman Catholics attending a Byzantine Catholic Church. We moved to our little house in the wet woods, as one friend says, "out in the boonies" a couple of years ago. We attended a Byzantine Church where we lived before for a year. Prior to that there was none and we had not learned what it was and what it would mean to us.

Now, in order to attend the Byzantine Liturgy, it is a distant drive. We go when we can and we are finding out that more and more driving is happening just so we can be in our new church home. Now the plan is to try to sell and move within a year closer to church. Meanwhile my thoughts are wondering...

In our late sixties now we don't really think it feasible to come officially under jurisdiction by officially changing rites. If we do-- not wise, as some have said here, to rush into it. Besides no one is forcing that and we are surely giving financial support to our Byzantine parish.

My question is, however, what does happen if, say, one of us died next week, would we be buried with the rites of the Byzantine Catholic Church or would we have to be buried by the Roman Catholics? Thanks for any clues here. No rush, though, don't plan on exiting quite yet, God willing.

Hello to all, it's been a while since I last posted. I believe that Msgr. Antoinne Mouhanna from our Eparchy in Mexico City has prepared a Mexican-Spanish version of the Divine Liturgy, if not I am sure the Antiochian Orthodox Cathedral of St. George here in Mexico City has one, I'll ask next sunday.

By the way, Asturians are neighbors to Galicians and we�re also celts!

Blessings

Sam, I knew there was a reason why I really liked you.

Iconophile,

I agree. Why marry a girl when you can just live with her without making a real commitment? :rolleyes:

As for Russophiles . . . I'll leave that one alone.

Dear Cizinec,
You ask "Why marry a girl when you can just live with her without making a real commitment?" Well, there are several reasons which most of us do not need explained. But most of us wll also agree that making a real commitment - even that of Holy Matrimony - does not require us to obtin a "rescript" or "indult" from some ecclesiastical bureaucrats somewhere. No matter how many of these odd pieces of paper one does or does not have, one can join the parish of one's choice, attend divine services there every day of the year (provided, of course, that the parish has daily services), give one's tithe there, come regularly and frequently to the Holy Mysteries there, live out one's Chrisian life accordingly, and ensure ahead of time that one's funeral takes place in and from that parish. If that isn't a commitment, what is?
Incognitus

I'm pretty sure that if I posted a comment like that the Administrator would scold me for being uncharitable.
Note that unlike the fornicator I am doing nothing immoral or even contrary to canon law, merely refraining from joining a particular ethnic group that is not mine. If there were one Byzantine Church I would join it "officially" in a heartbeat. As it now stands I am content to worship God "in spirit and truth".

I agree with Iconophile that the comment was beyond the bounds of charity. Please remember that I don't read every thread. I can only comment on those I read or those which people report to me.

Dear Incognitus, FYI:

I found my copy of La Divina Liturgia de Nuestro Padre San Juan Crisostomo. It was published in Rome, 1964. On the inside the inscription reads:

On closer look, this appears to be for Greek Melkite usage, since the Patriarch is commemorated, and the Resurrection Troparia 5,6,8 are listed as tone 1, 2, 4 plagal respectively. Tone 7 is listed as "Modo grave".

Mary Jo dear,

One of the things I love about the priests I know is that they take seriously the obligation to bury the dead. With respect to unbelievers, they will often be buried from the funeral home, without being brought into the church. But you and your beloved are not unbelievers. You are family. Check with your pastor, but I would find it very hard to believe that the church you love would send you elsewhere rather than burying you with love and prayer. I know we've buried a number of folks who were canonically RC, but longtime members of our parish, with full liturgical observance. I don't think the Lord sweats the paperwork.

As for having the "proper" paperwork, I'm actually in a similar "boat." I was received by Chrismation into the Byzantine Catholic Church almost 22 years ago. There is no written record of it that anybody's ever been able to find. I don't worry much about it - the Lord knows He's stuck with me .

Cheers,

Sharon