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Boost for superstitious: Sun to darken on day of pope's funeral Tue Apr 5, 2:43 PM ET Science - AFP


PARIS (AFP) - Those who say eclipses herald history-shaping events will find support for their superstition when, on Friday, the Sun will be briefly plunged into darkness on the day of Pope John Paul II's funeral.
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I am afraid things like this only encourage the superstitious in the Church. They are hysterical enough already without the need of any outside help.

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You don't have to be superstitious to find this interesting. Did you know that this Pope was *born* during an eclipse ( May 18, 1920 [sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov] )?

Seems rather fitting that he will be buried during one as well.

(Just a coincidence, though, I'm sure ... wink )

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Well add this to the collection:

A POPE DESCRIBED AS 'FROM THE SUN' WAS BORN DURING ECLIPSE AND LEAVES WITH ONE

He was born during an eclipse (May 18, 1920) and there will be an eclipse, a rare type of partial eclipse, Friday (April 8) on the day of his burial.

And so now eyes have turned more intently to an old prophecy attributed to the Irish monk St. Malachy O'Morgair -- who supposedly foresaw the entire succession of popes by using riddle-like nicknames, with the one fitting the 110th -- John Paul II -- being De Labore Solis, which means "from the labor of the sun."

Indeed, John Paul II was the Pope of Fatima -- where there was the famous "miracle of the sun" -- and reigned during an explosion of other supernatural claims involving solar miracles. Like the sun he came out of the East (Poland). Like the sun he visited countries all around the globe. There was a glow that emanated from him.

Of the sun, yes, and with a stature that means some kind of change of era is coming. This was a giant of a man. This was "Mary's Pope. It was the Pope of her secret. It was as if he was there to prevent or stave off a (long-overdue) chastisement and now he is gone.

The way he died could not have been more dramatic, the "culture of life" Pope dying two days after Terri Schiavo in a benchmark case on the value of life -- she prematurely put to death, in commotion, in terror, he dying with all the dignity with which the old, infirm, and disabled should die.

There was the Pope who had fought for Terri nearing the same end of the road (with even a feeding tube) but in a way that was natural and calm, in a state of prayer, such that he was able to tell his aides he was "happy" and that they too should be happy and then ending his life with Mass, more prayer, and the word, "Amen."

The very way he died was "prophetic." You can't get a much more pointed ending.

And then there is the Divine Mercy saint, St. Faustina, who quoted Christ as foreseeing a "spark" that would come from Poland and herald His "final coming." The Church is extremely and rightly wary when the Second Coming is claimed, but in this case it comes from a saint who was recently canonized -- by John Paul II.

Could it really be a case of approaching such monumental events? If not the Second Coming, a manifestation? Or is there much more yet to play out?

There is St. Faustina and then there was the prophecy of mystic Maria Esperanza -- who in a book foresaw that before a manifestation of Christ and the onset of major purifying events "an innocent person whom He loves a lot will die, an innocent person. This will shock the world, will move the world."

To a growing number of people, that sounds like Theresa Marie Schindler [funeral display, left, or here].

And so the prophetic pulse beats -- rapidly. Eclipses and comets have long been seen by humans as signposts. It was Halley's hanging over Jerusalem that seemed to foretell of the destruction there in the first century (like the sword of Damocles) and there were two eclipses or at least unusual darkness that occurred near Palestine in AD 29 and AD 33 -- events that, for some Christians, give astronomical proof to the biblical account that the sky darkened at Jesus' death on the cross.

In ancient China was the belief that eclipses occurred when the "gods" dispatched a dragon to eat the sun. The word "eclipse" comes from a Greek word, "ekleipsis," which means to "fail or be abandoned" -- and indeed eclipses are often associated with the downfall of kings and other leaders. "The sun has perished out of heaven and an evil mist hovers over all," was Homer's horrified account of an eclipse in The Odyssey.

The one expected Friday as the Pope is buried will be what is known as a "hybrid eclipse," part of a "ballet" in celestial physics (as the press describes it) between the sun, earth and moon. "Friday's event will last three hours and 24 minutes," reported a news service. "It begins at 18:54 GMT southeast of New Zealand, then races eastwards on a line north of the Galapagos Islands, Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia and finally Venezuela, where there will be a 33-second annular eclipse at sunset at 22:18. People living in New Zealand and to the north and south of this central line, including most of the southern United States, will see a partial eclipse -- the Sun will appear to have had a "bite" taken out of it. It will be visible on Friday along an arc ranging from the southwestern Pacific to South America, at a time it will already be night in Rome."

The next hybrid eclipse will take place on April 20, 2023. Is there something in that year, or around that time? Was not something around then associated with Medjugirje or mystics such as Josyp Terelya of the Ukraine?

But back to St. Malachy. As one encyclopedia notes: St. Malachy gave his manuscript to Innocent II to console him in the midst of his tribulations, and the document remained unknown in the Roman Archives until its discovery in 1590 (Cucherat, "Proph. de la succession des papes," ch. xv). They were first published by Arnold de Wyon, and ever since there has been much discussion as to whether they are genuine predictions of St. Malachy or forgeries.

"The silence of 400 years on the part of so many learned authors who had written about the popes, and the silence of St. Bernard especially, who wrote the "Life of St. Malachy," is a strong argument, say some, against their authenticity, but it is not conclusive if we adopt Cucherat's theory that they were hidden in the Archives during those 400 years," it notes.

Is there really anything to do? Some say that if it is really St. Malachy's prophecy, there could be the intervention of popes between the next, De Gloria Olivae ("from the glory of the olive"), and then the last one he allegedly mentioned, Petrus Romanus ("Peter the Roman").

They say he may only have been noting the especially significant pontificates, not every single one.

If not -- if the number he named forms a finite set -- there are only two more popes left, since Malachy saw only 112 of them.
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Imagine .... the whole world leadership are coming to the same place.
Someone need to look at the Book of Revelation for us... and please enligthen us more ... this is becoming very interesting.

I was on the other message board... that I feel somewhat offended ....for someone calling our Great Pontiff an antichrist....because of he is influential...

here is the thread from the other message board. Is he right to call our Great Pontiff and an antichrist? is someone who is influential be an antichrist? Is this influential Pope ...have something to do with antichrist or end of time?

http://www.monachos.net/mb/messages/6555/19601.html?1112804398

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No, he's not right.

However, I have come across some even more vitriolic comments from people who claim to be loyal "traditionalist" Catholics -- just goes to show that you can't please everyone.

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Sorry Randy I am not going to look at that link nor even dignify the thought that John Paul the Great might be an antichrist by entertaining it. As a theologian myself I find no evidence whatsoever to interpret the book of Apocalypse in this sense, moreover I cant see how someone in love with God who constantly urged others towards love of God and away from the culture of death could ever be antichrist. This man offered up his suffering to God! I remember the means by which St Martin of Tours identified the devil was that when he appeared 'as' Christ he appeared without wounds. St Martin realised that he was not the Lord because he was unwilling to suffer for anyone being so completely self-engulfed.

But if they call the master of the house Beelzebub...

Please understand Randy my comments are not against you. Although I am stunned that you actually want a theological defence for such an outrageous and hateful accusation. So many priests and religious owe their vocation to this man and if not for him the Bishops of the future would all have been educated in flowery theology which would see them permit all sorts of evils.

As for the prophecy of St Malachy I've been long aware of it and I find it interesting. I think if the next Pontiff in some way shape or form fits the 'code' then we could be in for an interesting next couple of years. Rest assured all this nice, nice, press coverage of the Pope is going to turn to knives within a month. I think we all need to listen to the advice of Fr Benedict Groeschel and not put too much stock in the media fanfare. If they insulted him in life they will insult him in death (and many are doing so). People have short memories. All this sympathy will produce an even bigger backlash against Catholicism than ever before.

We are living in an age of fire. Be prepared to fight. The 21st century is going to be one of war. Dont let the comforts of modern society fool you.


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Just a personal thought:

The sun hid when Our Great Pope was born, so the world could see the blessed "spark" that would change the modern world. Now, the sun is going to hide, for the world to see this blessed "spark" return to the Source of Life, to the Light which we all should follow.

May Pope John Paul II the Great's memory be eternal.

God Bless you all

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Dear Randy,

The minute I saw the name of the message board, I knew not to go on. While some conversation there is very spiritually edifying, and very beautiful in its Orthodoxy, you must also keep in mind, that:

1. Those who sponsor it are, I believe, fundamentalist Orthodox

2. Many of the Orthodox converts who post there are former Protestants who, ofcourse, are FAMOUS for their name calling of Popes with the bibilical epithets of Revelation. frown frown frown

Please don't judge all Orthodox by those comments. Pray for them to open their minds and hearts, and pray for their spiritual fathers and leaders who may or may not correct them.

This Protestant spin regarding Revelation and the Papacy, and the general anti-Rome feelings, are unfortunately resonant in those jurisdictions that have many Protestant converts such as the Antiochian...(although traditional cradle Antiochians were not like this AT ALL, as they lived in a part of the world where peaceful coexistance exists)

Keep the faith and take heart! God is in charge, and all we have to do is seek our personal holiness, try with all our might to carry out the difficult task of living with and loving (as well as honoring one another), pray, and let HIM direct us! The patron future saint of unity will be interceding on our behalf! smile

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I don't know, I regret that we have lost our beloved Holy Father. The world is definately somewhat void. However, I think my spirit is anticipating what God is going to do next.

Our precious Pope suffered for many years, but when he got bad he went fast. And I think that is God, he knew as his chidren suffer much from the loss of love ones. He want's us to know like others have said that he alone is in control. He giveth and taketh away - Kind James Language - the Almighty gave us this light to guide us to Jesus, and for a while the light is extinguished. But this darkness that we are experiencing right now only allows the light of Christ to shine brighter in us that we may light the way for others.

Soon we will be set off on a new adventure. Then Jesus ask that we keep our eyes focused on the present moment. It we get to carried away with what is to come, we lose sight of what he has for us right now, WE LOOSE OUT!

Let us live in this moment and rejoice that God is continuing his work in us and in the world. He will soon breath a new breath into the man who is to lead God's Church, his people into a closer walk with him. Let us rejoice and pray in this present moment, that we may receive in the Church the fullness of what God has instore for us now.

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Keep the faith and take heart! God is in charge, and all we have to do is seek our personal holiness, try with all our might to carry out the difficult task of living with and loving (as well as honoring one another), pray, and let HIM direct us! The patron future saint of unity will be interceding on our behalf!
If there's only two Popes left there may not even be time for that. Maybe Soloviev was right. Maybe we'll all need to be attacked directly by the antichrist before we consider the neccessity of re-union.


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Reunification will take place in God's time and on God's terms.

As for St. Malachy's prophecies, I haven't read them, but I don't intend to, either. This world will end when God sees fit to end it, and it is not for us to know the time.

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Dear Myles and JW,

I agree with you both. Only God knows the time for unity, AND that we also need to work towards that goal before it is too late.

Myles, I think you may have misunderstood WHY I wrote what I wrote? I am a great champion of unity, and try what I can, though I am increasingly realizing that it is very little. If the Pope couldn't do it, what makes me think that I can?

Randy mentioned some very sad Orthodox comments. As I have tried to reason with these stubborn and narrow minded types until I turn blue, and have only suffered insult and anomosity in return, I have come to realize that all I can do is concentrate on my own salvation, pray, and let God do the rest! You know the saying: "The Lord works in mysterious ways"...I can think of two of those ways; one being this precious and blessed forum, and the other being the legacy and foundations of love that the holy and saintly Holy Father of us all, Pope John Paul II, laid down in his life and even in his death.

The rest will be done by the Holy Spirit, of this I have faith! smile

I give thanks for both of you and I always enjoy the intelligent and spiritual posts you both share with us,
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I have actually read the material attributed to
Saint Malachy, and found it at least diverting.
But I would not regard it as authentic revelation. [Cardinal Spellman is said to have hired a boat and some sheep and gone sailing on the Tiber in order to qualify himself as "pastor et nauta"]

However, I've also been struck by the intended guest list at the HOly Father's funeral - and now the authorities in Rome are estimating six million people!

But take heart. I determined several years back that the Second Coming must take place on Pascha, and will therefore take place in one of the years when Pascha and Easter coincide, so that we can go on arguing through all eternity!

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