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According to an article the most recent New Yorker magazine the Bush Administration is planning to attack Iran, and is not ruling out the use of nuclear weapons.
The usual allegations of a "new Hitler" and so-called "American intelligence" are being hauled out to garner public support for yet another war.
For a more temperate approach to Iran, see this this American Conservative magazine article. [amconmag.com]

-Daniel

Boy, are we on the same page! I like the magazine, and I think that Pat Buchanan "nailed it" when, in discussing the Israel lobby, he said that the U.S. Congress is "Israeli-occupied territory". Mr. Buchanan has pointed out that most of GW's "neo-conservative" advisers were also advisers to Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel. In the nineties, they advised Netanyahu that the foriegn policy of Israel should be one to "take out Iran, Iraq, and Syria". Sound familiar?

Dear Daniel,

I have a big problem. Today I was listening to Pres. Bush and he said that England, Germany and France were all trying to solve the problem with Iran. He said that we are not going alone in our (so far) diplomacy, because when we do, then everyone criticises us. He then said that we are trying to get China and Russia on board, etc.

Sooo, after Pres. Bush's Speech on Fox News, they had two people with their comments. Now I don't know who they were, but from what they were saying, I have to assume the one man was a Democrat, and the woman a Republican.

Now here comes the good part! The man stated that Pres. Bush said that our good friends were China and Russia, and that Russia was doing this and that, and that China was doing this and that, etc. etc., and that we shouldn't try to do things alone, and do things unilaterally, etc.

Of course I expected the Republican to say that Pres. Bush stated that we were going along with Britain, France and Germany, but she was off on a tandem.

Now is this a new strategy of the liberals, that whatever is said they should insinuate that the opposite was said...and do it immediately when something is not to their benefit? I say this because the same thing happened over the immigration issue.

I was listening to Lou Dobbs (I think that's his name), on CNN. The Mexican rep. was saying one thing, and he was continuously making it seem that the opposite was being said. Lou then said how the Catholic Church was partly to blame because they are not doing anything to stop the Mexicans from coming to this country, and they are not concerned with the dignity of the Mexicans, etc. Of course that they live in cardboard boxes was never mentioned.

Am I going crazy. But then again I have heard from Dems, that if you say something often enough, people will believe it. Games, games, games...but what about integrity?

Zenovia

Here's the speech my favorite elected official, Congressman Ron Paul of Texas gave before the House of Representatives on April 5 http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr040506.htm

It's similar in content.

Please consider the source of the article, Seymour Hersch, who is very unfriendly towards the Bush Administration.

My all time favorite political comedian is congresswoman Maxine Waters of California

I don't know, Bush would be pretty hilarious if his policies weren't resulting in so much death and destruction.
His "way" with the English language is pretty slapstick...

-Daniel

I thank God that Kerry and mother teresa (as she asked to be called) was not elected.

God's Will be done!

That is a big problem!

Relax! I'm just kidding!

Logos Teen

I am quite pessimistic in case Iran is attacked by the Western Empires, they don't have many allies there. Even the Russians would benefit from the elimination of the Islamic Government and the creation of a coalition where the socialist and communist groups will allow them to share a part of the cake with the US Oil Companies. Again, Christians and Jews, who now enjoy a certain protection given by the Revolutionary Law will be in the middle of the conflict and suffer reveange.

However this is only hypotetical. In recent days, President Bush has denied the rumours that they're planning an invasion of Iran at least not in short term. This is unlkely to happen, as he will finish his presidential period soon and the new Democratic government will most likely not follow his unpopular policies.

Dear Rose II you said:

" thank God that Kerry and mother teresa (as she asked to be called) was not elected"

I say:

I have a big problem with the above. How can one compare a saint such as Mother Theresa which basically means that she has heroic virtue, with a man like Kerry. First of all, Kerry sways with the wind in everything he says, which means he is an opportunist and a liar. Besides, he married his wife because she was a widowed billionaire.

But then again, he has a pleasant voice, if that is what's important.

Zenovia

Zenovia, I believe Rose2's "Mother Teresa" was a joking reference to Kerry's wife, Teresa, who was sometimes referred to that way in the media.

Dear Mexican you said:

" This is unlkely to happen, as he will finish his presidential period soon and the new Democratic government will most likely not follow his unpopular policies."

I say:

As a Christian you should hope that the Democrats do not get in. Actually, it was their liberal policies that have made our society the way it is... and it is the immorality of that society that influences the world.

Let us hope, (but then again you are not an American), that all the reforms that have been accomplished, such as 'tort' reform, and the judges that are now in the Supreme Court will manage to change our culture.

Also we have our economy. It started to grow with Pres. Reagan's policies, and then began to faulter with Pres. Clinton. Try to realize that our economic growth, which is fantastic right now, also affects the world.

If we should fall into a recession or even a depression, which is likely to happen if a Democrat comes back in, means not only that we will have problems here, but it will affect the world immensely. Millions upon millions will probably starve in the third world, and no doubt nations that will be the most affected such as China, might attack an oil rich nation in order to satisfy her people's needs.

Things are never as simple as they seem.

Zenovia

Dear Theist Gal,

I'm so dumb! I never realized that she was called mother theresa. I was wondering why the name wasn't capitalized.

Zenovia

Actually Zenovia, during Kerry's campaign, his wife Teresa gave a speech at a gay/lesbian rally. It was televised. She spoke to the huge crowd saying that she was on their side and that she would like them to call her "mother teresa" and of course they all applauded their approval.

(sorry, i should have explained myself better.)

Nah, you're not dumb, Zenovia - you just had better things to do with your life than listen to Theresa Heinz Kerry.

Iraq, ______, Afghanistan. If you fill in the blank space you will see that Iran gives the US empire a tic tac toe. It's not a coincidence that all three may be raped. I will not support any troops in any country ever in my life.

Zenovia- I am no fan of Clinton's, but you are rewriting history: the economy flourished during his presidency.
As the Holy Father John Paul II predicted, the War in Iraq has been a disaster and the source of much needless death and suffering. Still, the True Believer will hold to his or her faith despite the evidence....
-Daniel

Many people look back on the Clinton years as a time when he stepped in to save our economy and it was just one big party until Bush came along.

Remember, he came in with a Democrat controlled House and Senate, passed the largest tax increase in history, and was pushing nationalized health care.

Because of this our economy continued to stagnate his first two years in office until nationalized health care crashed and burned and the Republicans gained control of Congress.

Actually, I can't think of anything in particular that Clinton proactively did to stimulate the US economy.

In my first presidential election I voted for Clinton in '96. The last 2 elections I voted for Bush. I probably should have voted for Keyes or Buchannan all 3 times!

Shoot. Dubya is about to start WWIII, and I just did my tax returns?

We should tell the Iraqis: We did our part, you failed to do your part, mission accomplished, good-bye.

We should tell the Iranians the same thing we told the Russians and the Chinese: Go ahead, waste your money on nuclear weapons, but we promise to utterly destroy your country if you ever use one.

This policy has worked for over 50 years under both Democratic and Republican Administrations, even that of President William Jefferson Clinton.

By the way, nobody died when Clinton lied. I wish that was true about Dubya.

Thats good John you have renderd to Caesar what is Caesar's. Now pray for the peace that only HE can give.

ICXC
NIKA

"By the way, nobody died when Clinton lied. I wish that was true about Dubya."

No, just some Christians in Bosnia. Who cares about them anyway.

All kidding aside, what would you posters do about the situation in Iran?

Right. And nobody died when Nixon lied either but I don't suppose you will make room for that bumper sticker on your VW van.

I wasn't thinking about Nixon - I was thinking about Reagan when he lied about Iran-Contra. Tens of thousands died in Nicaragua due to Reagan's shenanigans.

But thinking about Nixon, tens of thousands died in Cambodia when he lied about that conflict.

Oh, I drive a Toyota Camry.

The conflicts in Nicaragua and Cambodia didn't happen in a vacuum. Those deaths had more to do with Marxist guerrillas and a guy named Pol Pot.

But what is it about Clinton that makes you try to justify his actions? Are you saying that lying is fine if no one dies? It's fine if the chief law enforcement officer in the US perjures himself before a Grand Jury?

It's fine if the US president fights a politically-correct war against Muslims but indiscrimnately destroys Christians in an attempt to deflect attention away from his lies - as long as he's a Democrat?

It's fine that a US president, if he's a Democrat, signs into law a partial-birth abortion bill. Many died from that and he didn't even need to lie

I have my disagreements with the GOP but I cannot understand how people of conscience can support the national Democrat party and its leaders. They are a dispicable group and national disgrace.

Regarding your choice of vehicle: perhaps you don't have a bumper sticker on it - that's good.

I only see the "No One Died When Clinton Lied" bumper sticker on two types of cars. One is a VW van driven by a maggot infested hippie (my apologies to any maggot who may be reading this) and the other is a Volvo driven by a suburban woman with a "Keep Your Rosaries Off My Ovaries" bumper sticker next to her DARWIN fish.

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
-Einstein