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Hi, my name is David, I live in VA. I'm a "high" Episcopalian, a lay associate of the Order of Julian of Norwich (devoted to comtemplative prayer)and a Lay Eucharistic Minister. I have always loved the liturgy of the Eastern church. I practice the Prayer of the Heart, using a chotki as well as Anglican beads. I hope to learn more about Eastern Liturgy and network w/ others interested in contemplative prayer. I also say one of the Hours daily, sometimes intergrating prayers from the Eastern & Roman traditions with the (Episcopal) Book of Common Prayer.
I am a nurse and feel that my daily work and my spirituality compliment each other...any other healthcare professionals in here?
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Christ is Risen!
Dear David,
Welcome to our forum. I hope that we prove to be a blessing for you as I'm sure you will be for us.
Please make yourself at home and ask anything you want about the Byzantine Catholic Church.
May God bless you,
Stefan-Ivan
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Brother David, Welcome!! (Yay!! Another Virginian!!!)
I am very happy that you have found us, and I hope that your spiritual journey to the Father will be enhanced by your time here. I'm not sure if you've been a 'lurker' at all and are aware of the plethora of folks who visit here, but be assured that this internet community, though sometimes contentious, is a wonderful mixture of Byzantines, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Anglicans, Oriental Orthodox, Protestants and sometimes even Moslems who debate and discuss all manner of things.
Don't forget to stop by the Prayer section. It is here that our people show their love for God and each other by praying for those who are in need.
Again, Welcome!
Christ is Risen!! Indeed, He is Risen!!
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Wecome David, to this forum. I am sure that you will appreciate the dialog here.
Everybody takes a little bit and leaves a little bit.
May God bless you in your work and on your spiritual journey!
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Welcome, David, to the Forum. It is good to have you among us. We hope to learn much because of your presence here.
Just a question, does the Association of Julian of Norwich have a common rule and common life?
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Steve
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Dear David,
Welcome!
I've purchased religious items associated with St Julian of Norwich from the Anglican Shrine in England (I particularly like the Byzantine icon of her) and her writings are truly inspirational.
There are many points of contact between St Julian and Eastern spirituality, to be sure!
We also have an Eastern St Julian(a).
She was a 16 year old Princess of "Olshansk" who died at that age.
She was buried along with more than 100 Venerable Monastic Fathers in the Kyivan Caves Monastery and is counted as one of their Saints today.
God bless!
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Steve (an answer and a question) The Order of Julian is an Anglican religious order w/ 3 types of members: members regular who live in the monastery under vows of chastity, poverty, obedience and prayer; oblates and associates who don't live in community and live under a modified form of the monastic rule while living 'in the world". the associate status lives the less stringent rule. associates are obligated to say one Office a day, oblates the full hours as found in the Book of Common Prayer. Oblates and Associates may be either married or single. We also strive to live out the vows of poverty, chastity and obedience within our state of life. Do any Eastern monasteries have a tradition of lay Oblates/Tertiaries/Associates connected to them? Here is the Order's web: http://140.190.128.190/merton/julian.html Yours in the Risen Christ David
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Dear David,
There are Byzantine Lay Franciscans, Benedictines and Basilians as well as some others.
There are also those who are attached to an Eastern monastery and live lives akin to Third Order members.
How many Prayer Book Offices are there?
I thought four - Mattins, Evensong, Sext and Compline.
Additional offices to make up seven are also allowed.
Do I have that right?
Alex
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Alex, The Episcopal Book of Common Prayer provides for 4 Daily Offices: Morning Prayer (aka Mattins) Noon Prayer Evening Prayer (aka Vespers or Evensong.) Compline If Evening Prayer is announced as "Evensong" this ussually indicates most of the service will sung or chanted, frequently with the choir singing special arragements of the Psalms and Canticles. Some Episcopal religious orders and devotional societies also have thier own brevaries that provide for other offices to give 6 or 7 a day, but these would be considered "private" devotions, as opposed to being part of the public liturgy of the Episcopal Church. Many Anglican religious orders are moving away from using thier own brevary in order to make it easier for lay persons connected with the order to follow the rhythm of the orders prayer life. The BCP also contains "micro" forms of morning, noon,and evening devotions for individuals or families. Also a briefer form of Evening Prayer ("An Order of Evening Worship") frequnetly used at parish suppers, youth gatherings etc..that allows for more freedom in reading selection. I know a lymerick about mattins.....but it probably isn't appropriate for this site!  David, AOJN
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Dear David,
Thanks for the information.
I am a member of the Roman Church. I defer to Alex's vast knowledge of the Eastern Churches.
Again, glad to have you here!
Steve
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Dear David,
That is fascinating - how much we learn on the Byzantine Forum even about the Anglican tradition!
The Anglican Franciscans have that beautiful office book with a very ecumenical calendar of saints.
I gave a copy to my Anglican employer who uses it daily himself.
Julian of Norwich, as I understand, was never formally canonized by Rome but both Anglican and Roman Churches do have her in their calendars.
And I understand that she practiced the Jesus Prayer on beads: "Jesus, Son of the Living God, have mercy on me!"
This was a part of the Rule of Prayer of the English Anchorites, was it not?
My old parish Church actually had a public consecration of an anchorite, a former RC nun who fell in love with the Eastern Church.
Our parish priest dug up an old English ceremony for this and conducted it in English, but with a heavy Slavic accent.
The anchorite continues to live in seclusion praying the Byzantine Office and practicing the Jesus Prayer.
Alex
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David,
Welcome to the board. I am a Traditional(Tridentine Rite) RC, who for a while was contemplating Orthodoxy.
I opened a thread awhile ago asking about the Anglican Breviary. Can you tell me if you use this? If so, do you recommend it?
Thank you,
Columcille
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Dear Columcille,
The Anglican Breviary is truly High Church Anglican and it is, in fact, a slight remake of Pope St Pius X's Breviary.
I have a copy and the only things that are different from the RC Breviary include the introduction of the Feast of King Charles the Martyr and the commemoration of some Anglican saints such as Bernard Mizeki.
The Anglican Breviary does refer to December 8th as the "Conception of St Anne" as does the Eastern Church.
Other than these minor differences, everything else is the Breviary of Pope St Pius X.
Alex
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Alex-
Thank you. I'm thinking on purchasing a copy for the very reasons which you state. I wanted to pray the traditional office, but I can't find it in English, only Latin.
Latin is OK at Mass, but I'm not fluent enough to get anything out of it outside of a corporate, liturgical setting.
I hope you had, and are having, a blessed Easter!
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No, Columcille,I personally don't use the Anglican Brevary, I use the current Book of Common Prayer of the Episcopal Church. Despite it's name the Anglican Brevary is not part of the official liturgy the Episcopal Church, but is "private devotion". You might find it more meaningful then other styles of the Office. I have friends who perfer it.
Alex, I am also familiar with the Franciscan Office book, which would be one of those monastic brevaries i mentiond a few posts ago. I didn't realize Julian was a practitioner of the Jesus Prayer/Prayer of the Heart. Are you familiar with the writtings of the Archmandrite Lev Gillet on it's use? I sometimes use the Jesus Prayer in combo w/ the Trisagion.."Holy God, Holy Mighty,..." I find this meanignful.
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