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Dear Anastasios,

Or else Vasili could go to an Old Believer jurisdiction with Priests.

If he wants to, that is.

But the question still stands. Why did the Bezpopovtsy begin in the first place? I understand that their priestly line died out.

But how can one be spiritually fully alive without the Eucharist in Orthodox Christianity?

Alex

The Oikumene at this time is beset by many temptations. ROCOR has suspended not gone out of Communion with most of them, say the Serbs, Jerusalem and Sinai. With the writing on the wall, there will soon be ONE Russian CHurch--including the OCA. Strong candidates for intercommuion in the future would be the Churches of Georgia, Greece and Cyprus. The question begged by your statement is --CAN ONE ATTAIN TO THEOSIS IN ROCOR, and as the witness of the SAINTS has testified, more than YES!
Holy Heirarch John of San Francisco, pray to God for us!
ps Priestless Old Believers and certain Greek Old Calendarists are the opposite extremes of Antioch, Finland and the EP! Follow Platina's lead, dear brother, and witness Christ in the pleroma of Orthodoxy. Remember the words of ST Seraphim concerning the bezpovpovsy: "they are on a boat towed by the great ship of Orthodoxy. If the ship should sink, they will be lost at sea!"

Yes, friend, we might be lost at sea but, like Noah's Ark, we will still be afloat!


That certainly is better than going down with a sinking ship!


Vasili

can one truly scoff at the miracles of Orthodoxy? ST Seraphim of Sarov, ST Silouan the Athonite, Blessed Elder Joseph the Hesychast, et al...Read of the life of grace in what you call a sinking ship. Orthodoxy is the Truth that the gates of hell shall not prevail against...
In the LOVE of Christ
R

Christ is Risen!


I was afraid you might misunderstand my reponse.


I was only responding to St. Seraphim's simile, where you quote him as referring to (in purely a rhetorical manner) Orthodoxy as a sinking ship. I certainly do not believe Orthodoxy is a "sinking ship." And certainly, those of us who are priestless Old Believers consider ourselves to be Orthodox...but with a difference.


Your holy saints are our holy saints.


Vasili


Truly He is Risen!

Sorry to point this out, but the "Orthodox" posters on this Catholic forum have more than validated the idea that for unity in orthodoxy/Orthodoxy to exist, there has to be some sort of common understanding. What I read leads me (a Catholic of both Western and Eastern Orthodox provenance) to determine that pissing contests among so-called "Orthodox" communities parallel the Western schimatics' condemnation of anyone who does not agree with them.

For me, whose family is both RC and Greek Orthodox, I'll stick with the majority of the 'patriotes' on the Greek side, and both understand and acknowledge the holiness and rank of Demetrios, the Patriarch of Constantinople, and the hierarchs of the Church of Greece from whence we have sprung.

As in the West, the church of Constantinople has its 'flakes' who are more than willing to condemn the majority for one or another aberration. But these splinter groups who rant and rave about calendars, vestments, language, customs, priestly behavior, canonical 'rectitude', administrative structures, 'communion', and (Lord, help us!) 'ecumenism', seem to open the door for those who seem to be more interested in their personal justification than in following the Law of Christ. They hurl anathemas like Thor and Wotan's lightning bolts.

Christ didn't do this. He was of "meek and humble heart". And said that His followers must do the same.

So, I have a serious problem with the ecclesio-Nazis who condemn anyone who is not in 100% conformity with their, in my opinion, fascist doctrine.

NO baptized Christian has the obligation to subordinate him/herself to any lunacy that obviates the command of Christ. He said to love God and love one's neighbor as well as one loves one's self.

If you're not doing that, then please take a hike.

Blessings!

Christos Anesti i'pante!
(Christ is risen, y'all!)

The current Patriarch of Constantinople is Bartholomew. The patristic validation for the dogmatic-ecclesiastical-canonical structure is that which leads the people of God to purification and the vision of the undcreated light of the Godhead. Such "lunatics" are those who preserve the dogmatic consciousness of the Church and define JUST EXACTLY WHAT IT IS...The Church is not a political structure and certainly is not the patrimony of the Greeks. If you refuse to honour the grace of God in the deified you are neither Orthodox nor Catholic. As far as Christ's commandment and "love" I simply refer you to the I ST John. Indescriminate standards and syncretic freemasonry with an Orthodox face is something condemned by Rome as much as the Orthodox. Orthodox unity is not political. It is mystagogical, a unity rooted in Mysteries, The Holy Eucharist and the cultivation of the CATHOLIC MIND of the Church, something which your RENOVATIONISM tears to pieces. If you wish to endorse comprehensiveness/liberalism ADMIT TO US ALL YOUR EASTERN RITE PROTESTANTISM. WE PREFER THE CHURCH OF THE SAINTS AND APOSTLES--THE ORTHODOX CHURCH. Now go and pray and especially confess. LIVE YOUR faith and do not scandalize it with your illicit love.
Orthodoxia i Thanatos!
R
PS I ENDORSE THE WISDOM OF THE HOLY MOUNTAIN UNEQUIVOCALLY ABOVE YOUR FREEMASONRY--ANATHEMA TO YOU!

I have read the preceding post 4 times and I still have no idea what the message is.

P.S. Only a Council, or minimally a major synod, can anathematize.

Dear Dr. John,

If YOU are an anathematized freemason, where can I go to join you?

Alex

The posters "osama-bin-laden" and"Whirling dervish" are one in the same. This person has listed his hometown as "Phoenix" and his interests as "terrorism" but a lookup of his internet provider suggests that he is really from the Mercer County, Pennsylvania area.

The Byzantine Forum asks that all participants refrain from discussions with this person and that they be careful should he attempt to create yet another user name for himself.

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