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Check out some recent Muslim sermons. They just warm the heart.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20040818-091726-4057r.htm

Dan L

I could, if I wanted, search through all kinds of sermons done by Christians (Catholics and Protestants both), collect quotes, and tell the world, "see how evil those Christians are!"

Washington Times is a source with a well known agenda. Goebbels certainly was an expert in the technique we saw here.

//I could, if I wanted, search through all kinds of sermons done by Christians (Catholics and Protestants both), collect quotes, and tell the world, "see how evil those Christians are!"

Washington Times is a source with a well known agenda. Goebbels certainly was an expert in the technique we saw here.//

The New York Times, Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post also have agendas. So what?

I dont see any Jihad being made against any Islamists by any Christian groups on an internationals scale, or did I miss something?

JoeS

At last count 37 out of the then existing 39 world conflicts involved Muslims. That could be a coincindence. That might mean that the entire world is picking on Muslims. Could be. :rolleyes:

It does show a certain degree of tolerated infantality in Islam. Then again Islam is pretty new. Maybe they will grow out of this phase. It took Christianity quite some time before it stopped warring against others. Maybe Islam will cease this phase eventually.

Dan L

No, Christians aren't allowed to make statements like that. I saw on another forum that preachers in Canada cannot repremand homosexuals or loose their tax-free status. Anyway, in the USA the ACLU will sue Christian churches if they say anything against anybody.

//At last count 37 out of the then existing 39 world conflicts involved Muslims. That could be a coincindence. That might mean that the entire world is picking on Muslims. Could be.//

"the entire world is picking on Muslims." Do you hear what you are saying. Oh, I get it, you are just pulling my leg here, right?

JoeS

I hate to say this - and will probably offend the apologists for Islam - but I think the Muslims will again be at the gates of Vienna, if not literally, then figuratively. I hope I am wrong, but I have a feeling we will be fighting that religion again at some point, for our very survival. When Muslims are arrayed against us in battle, I wonder how much influence the politically correct crowd will have on them to mend their ways? I can just hear it now - "Mohammed, I feel your anger, but it hurts me when you point that rifle at me. I am trying to understand."

//No, Christians aren't allowed to make statements like that. I saw on another forum that preachers in Canada cannot repremand homosexuals or loose their tax-free status. Anyway, in the USA the ACLU will sue Christian churches if they say anything against anybody.//

I am anxiously awaiting the first lawsuit levied against an American Muslim or an American Muslim community by the ACLU. Is this pie in the sky stuff?

JoeS :p

Did you notice my sarcastic roll of the eyes icon?

Dar'alIslam, i.e., the dream of Ummah is a dream to make the entire world Islam. War is there fall back position. There are many peaceable Muslims. But the Arabists or Islamicists are intent upon choosing force as a virtual lead off position. The fall of the Ottoman Empire still sticks in the craw of many. And the imbicilic Wahabists are fomenting war all over the world.

Dan L

TN and Joe,

In both Christian charity and in reality, we have to separate Muslim extremists from the Moslem religion as it is practiced by persons of faith who do not subscribe to terror as a tenet of their religious heritage, belief, or practice. To do otherwise is to start toward that slippery slope that, over the centuries, has allowed ethnic and ideological cleansing, the Holocaust, the Holodomor, the Armenian genocide, the Penal Times, the Crusades, the Trail of Tears, the Great Leap Forward, the Rape of Nanking, the Killing Fields, and so many other atrocities that don't have concise labels attached but which had, as their goal, the extinction of a people.

I certainly do not consider myself a Muslim apologist, but I think that, in the oft-quoted words of Pastor Martin Niem�ller:

Many years,

Neil

Neil, I have no problem with anything you have said. Yes, there are peaceful Muslims out there, but there are also vast numbers who wish nothing more than the destruction of the USA and Christianity. Have you noticed that wherever Islam has become a majority, Christianity had been stopped in its tracks and has declined. Could that be because it has been outlawed, persecuted, and driven out? I am not advocating any campaigns against Muslims, but to be forewarned is to be forearmed. It is like the old saying - our eyes are looking across the water and smiling at the barbarians. The eyes looking back are not smiling.

Have you noticed how you are doing what the so-called extremists are doing? They too say, "Those evil Christians, look at them. The US, the Christian nation, and they want to destroy all of Islam. GW Bush has said it is a Crusade."

This is what fuels it, by one side saying "see they want to kill us all," so they say the same thing to "fix it."

The situation of the Middle East is far more complex than "Islam vs non Islam." It is politics plain and simple. The same reason why so many "Christian" nations like UK killed off Catholics too -- was it showing Christianity is just about killing? Or was there not politics which the religion was only used as scapegoat?

Henry,

Of course. Of course. But when we see Christians killing Moslems anywhere like Moslem political leaders have killed Christians in Sudan; when we see Christians high jacking planes in order to run into Arab buildings in order to kill Arabs then your argument has contemporary application.

It is still the case that for 1400 years there have been Muslim led governments enslaving Christians all over the world. It's not likely to happen here, but I don't want it to happen here either.

Dan L

Henry, I'm happy I'm not the only one that noticed. It is very true, all fundamentalists are same, whether Moslem or Christian, Democrat or Republican, they all want to take power by any means possible and each ones KNOWS what is best for everyone else. They all frighten me and the fundamentalist "Christians" frighten me the most, even more the Moslem fundamentalists...here in the US they have more power and are working very hard to take over this country and make it a "Christian" nation, but only if it takes on their form of Christianity. If and when that were to happen, we'd have a fascist state worse than Hitler ever dreamed of making.

Moe,

You don't disappoint. You offer scare tactics as usual with little or no evidence. I suppose you would be happy to have plane highjackings on planes that you are on. Not one post has talked about Christian hegemony. I believe you sound more like a fascist than anyone. Keep up the foolishness. I wouldn't believe anything else of you.

Curly