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This was one of the stories on CNN this morning. It must really be a slow news day.

Party in Hell 6-6-06 [edition.cnn.com]

Father Anthony+

I grew up about 50 miles South of Hell. I don't know if that makes my home town better or worse than Hell. They have a run there called, you guessed it, "The road to Hell" which I almost ran in my better days. Sadly, I've never seen the town. I wish I could get up there for the sixth but the next time I'm in the area I'm going over there. It's the only place in which I can't give them hell but maybe I can get refueled. :p Just kidding.

CDL

I read an article by a Greek Orthodox priest who said that when the time comes for the Anti-Christ to manifest himself that the world will be so depraved that the actual number 666 will be used because the people then will love the shock value of it. Kinda like what we are seeing in this day and age to a lesser extent.

When I was in my rock band stage, I knew a few people who were satanists. I didn't associate with them after I found out though; for obvious reasons. There was one guy who I was (am) afraid of, he doesn't look scary but he has an evil presence about him. I think when he was in prison something happened to him. (He was in for petty theft.)

Very interesting observation by the Greek Orthodox priest. For the record:

The Mark, the Name, the Number of the beast
Pundarika is given in english exact transliteration for the Greek. Hammelek el Israel (king of Israel), the name or title, that in all probability, the Antichrist will claim for himself, is given in English exact equivalent for the Hebrew.

The Cosmic Christ � Cosmocrator and the fruits of that bad tree
P U N D A R I K A
80+ 400+50+ 4+ 1+ 100+10+ 20+ 1=666
Note: pundarika in Sanskrit (the above English and Greek are direct transliterations letter for letter from the Sanskrit) is literally �the great white dragon in the abyss� which is the core and basis of the whole esoteric tradition, priesthood, and the dainichi nyorai (the head of the diabolic trinity of the dragon in Buddhism). The dainichi nyorai is also the exact very basis for their magic/sorcery with it�s six elements they manipulate. Elements here are exactly the stoichea in Col. 2:8.

(Note in the below that the Hebrew characters normally read in reverse order than the English letters)
Hammelek l Yisrael
H M L K L Y S R A L
5+ 40+ 30+ 20+ 30+ 10+ 300+ 200+ 1+ 30 = 666



Originally there were in ancient religion four elements (fire spirit water earth) with spirit deleted by the pagans and air and then also and/or aether inserted. These were variously identified with the visible planets and gods/goddesses of the pagans. The order was also rearranged variously and finally a sixth element was added: universal mind (just as the heretical interpretation of Jesus Christ as the impersonal word of God, instead of enhypostasia which is correct that Jesus Christ is the Person-al Son and Word of God incarnate). Finally language was seen as the mystical means of connecting with the powers of the gods/goddesses (actually Satan and the other fallen angels and the demons [demons are, according to the Church Fathers, the non-human souls of the pre-flood nephilim]), and with that alpha-numeric theosophies, namely Hebrew Gematria (Greek and Roman variations are Isopsephia) were especially used. These connections were for the sorcery/magic astrological control over the elements (Greek � stoichea) and even other men. Trigrams, pentagrams, hexagrams et al were symbols used inconjunction with this. The final Mark of the Beast will not be accidental or co-incidental. The final mark of the Antichrist (the Beast) will be willful knowingly on purpose representation of the damned individual�s name by gematria/isopsephia spelling of his name to equal 666. He will seek to impress this knowingly on all men. All who knowingly take it will be irrevocably damned.

In some Latin Bibles the number was 616 for Nero's name.

Caesar Neron (the Latin for his name) is 666 in Hebrew and not 616. In the Greek it isn't even close to any of it. St. Augustine records this opinion about Nero as coming from a pagan legend about Nero and not what the sacred text means.

The transcription error in some bibles is explained by St. Irenaeus:

St. Irenaeus Against Heresies Book V

�Others then received this reading without examination; some in their simplicity,� from the below text; this is where some of the Latin copyists made their mistake and got 616 instead of the correct 666 for the number. The full consensus of the Church Fathers and Theologians have always made it unambiguously clear that the number is 666.

CHAP. XXX.-- CERTAIN AS TO THE NUMBER OF THE NAME OF ANTICHRIST. ANTICHRIST'S REIGN AND DEATH.

1. Such, then, being the state of the case, and this number being found in all the most approved and ancient copies(3) [of the Apocalypse], and those men who saw John face to face bearing their testimony [to it]; while reason also leads us to conclude that the number of the name of the beast, [if reckoned] according to the Greek mode of calculation by the [value of] the letters contained in it, will amount to six hundred and sixty and six; that is, the number of tens shall be equal to that of the hundreds, and the number of hundreds equal to that of the units (for that number which [expresses] the digit six being adhered to throughout, indicates the recapitulations of that apostasy, taken in its full extent, which occurred at the beginning, during the intermediate periods, and which shall take place at the end),--I do not know how it is that some have erred following the ordinary mode of speech, and have vitiated the middle number in the name, deducting the amount of fifty from it, so that instead of six decads they will have it that there is but one. [I am inclined to think that this occurred through the fault of the copyists, as is wont to happen, since numbers also are expressed by letters; so that the Greek letter which expresses the number sixty was easily expanded into the letter Iota of the Greeks.](4) Others then received this reading without examination; some in their simplicity, and upon their own responsibility, making use of this number expressing one decad; while some, in their inexperience, have ventured to seek out a name which should contain the erroneous and spurious number. Now, as regards those who have done this in simplicity, and without evil intent, we are at liberty to assume that pardon will be granted them by God. But as for those who, for the sake of vainglory, lay it down for certain that names containing the spurious number are to be accepted, and affirm that this name, hit upon by themselves, is that of him who is to come; such persons shall not come forth without loss, because they have led into error both themselves and those who confided in them. Now, in the first place, it is loss to wander from the truth, and to imagine that as being the case which is not; then again, as there shall be no light punishment [inflicted] upon him who either adds or subtracts anything from the Scripture,(1) under that such a person must necessarily fall. Moreover, another danger, by no means trifling, shall overtake those who falsely presume that they know the name of Antichrist. For if these men assume one [number], when this [Antichrist] shall come having another, they will be easily led away by him, as supposing him not to be the expected one, who must be guarded against.
2. These men, therefore, ought to learn [what really is the state of the case], and go back to the true number of the name, that they be not reckoned among false prophets. But, knowing the sure number declared by Scripture, that is, six hundred sixty and six, let them await, in the first place, the division of the kingdom into ten; then, in the next place, when these kings are reigning, and beginning to set their affairs in order, and advance their kingdom, [let them learn] to acknowledge that he who shall come claiming the kingdom for himself, and shall terrify those men of whom we have been speaking, having a name containing the aforesaid number, is truly the abomination of desolation. This, too, the apostle affirms: "When they shall say, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction shall come upon them."(2) And Jeremiah does not merely point out his sudden coming, but he even indicates the tribe from which he shall come, where he says, "We shall hear the voice of his swift horses from Dan; the whole earth shall be moved by the voice of the neighing of his galloping horses: he shall also come and devour the earth, and the fulness thereof, the city also, and they that dwell therein."(3) This, too, is the reason that this tribe is not reckoned in the Apocalypse along with those which are saved.(4)
3. It is therefore more certain, and less hazardous, to await the fulfilment of the prophecy, than to be making surmises, and casting about for any names that may present themselves, inasmuch as many names can be found possessing the number mentioned; and the same question will, after all, remain unsolved. For if there are many names found possessing this number, it will be asked which among them shall the coming man bear. It is not through a want of names containing the number of that name that I say this, but on account of the fear of God, and zeal for the truth: for the name Evanthas (E<greek>U</greek>AN<greek>Q</greek>A<greek>S</greek>) contains the required number, but I make no allegation regarding it. Then also Lateinos (<greek>L</greek>ATEINO<greek>S</greek>) has the number six hundred and sixty-six; and it is a very probable [solution], this being the name of the last kingdom [of the four seen by Daniel]. For the Latins are they who at present bear rule:(5) I will not, however, make any boast over this [coincidence]. Teitan too, (TEITAN, the first syllable being written with the two Greek vowels <greek>e</greek> and <greek>i</greek>), among all the names which are found among us, is rather worthy of credit. For it has in itself the predicted number, and is composed of six letters, each syllable containing three letters; and [the word itself] is ancient, and removed from ordinary use; for among our kings we find none bearing this name Titan, nor have any of the idols which are worshipped in public among the Greeks and barbarians this appellation. Among many persons, too, this name is accounted divine, so that even the sun is termed "Titan" by those who do now possess [the rule]. This word, too, contains a certain outward appearance of vengeance, and of one inflicting merited punishment because he (Antichrist) pretends that he vindicates the oppressed.(6) And besides this, it is an ancient name, one worthy of credit, of royal dignity, and still further, a name belonging to a tyrant. Inasmuch, then, as this name "Titan" has so much to recommend it, there is a strong degree of probability, that from among the many [names suggested], we infer, that perchance he who is to come shall be called "Titan." We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him who beheld the apocalyptic vision. For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign.
4. But he indicates the number of the name now, that when this man comes we may avoid him, being aware who he is: the name, however, is suppressed, because it is not worthy of being proclaimed by the Holy Spirit. For if it had been declared by Him, he (Antichrist) might perhaps continue for a long period. But now as "he was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the abyss, and goes into perdition,"(1) as one who has no existence; so neither has his name been declared, for the name of that which does not exist is not proclaimed. But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that "many coming from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob."(2)

The Hebrew name, in my first post on this topic, that I quoted is from Fr. Sloet of Holland (well over a century ago); who on this subject has the respect of serious scholars. His reasoning on using Hebrew for "King of Israel" is quite convincing. In the rebuilt temple that St. Irenaeus mentions above, it will have to be an apostate (from God) Jew who will be received as an earthly Davidic messiah that the Jews (who would not and still do not accept Jesus Christ) will receive as their (false) man-god earthly king in Jerusalem. They have plans even now for the rebuilding of this temple. Fr. Sloet even tells us that for the spelling to be exact, the kaph (k) will have to be medial indicating temporary, just as St. Irenaeus tells us the Antichrist's reign will be - see above passage from St. Irenaeus. Also, Jerusalem today is the porn and new age capital of the world. A very correct description of Babylon typologically speaking. I set no dates, but it behoves us to be aware of this.

Thank you for bringing this aspect to our attention.

Best regards,
Steve

6-6-06 is not 666; it is 6606, or even 662006, so yeah....

People are reading waaaaaay to much into it. There are even these billboards all around with the date and everything. It says the "signs are all around you." Well of course they are because the billboards are everywhere.

Only if all the money people put into such billboards, radio ads, etc. went to the truly needy. Same with the whole Left Behind book series. The newest one is 666, I believe. :rolleyes:

And the end of the world won't happen either on June 6th, 2006 because no one really knows the hour, time, place, etc.

How upside down this whole world is....

-uc

Fascinating sign of our times. In ridiculing the doctrine of hell aren't they really ridiculing the doctrine of salvation from hell and death? In ridiculing the number 666 in sacred text aren't they really ridiculing the Parousia of Christ in the future? -- since Jesus Christ will come again, in the same flesh He ascended in, after the Antichrist and destroy that evil genius. And in all of this ridicule don't we see the result of what Pope St. Pius X warned about in his encyclical? See below:

PASCENDI DOMINICI GREGIS
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS X
ON THE DOCTRINES
OF THE MODERNISTS

Agnosticism its Philosophical Foundation

6. We begin, then, with the philosopher. Modernists place the foundation of religious philosophy in that doctrine which is usually called Agnosticism. According to this teaching human reason is confined entirely within the field of phenomena, that is to say, to things that are perceptible to the senses, and in the manner in which they are perceptible; it has no right and no power to transgress these limits. Hence it is incapable of lifting itself up to God, and of recognising His existence, even by means of visible things. From this it is inferred that God can never be the direct object of science, and that, as regards history, He must not be considered as an historical subject. Given these premises, all will readily perceive what becomes of Natural Theology, of the motives of credibility, of external revelation. The Modernists simply make away with them altogether; they include them in Intellectualism, which they call a ridiculous and long ago defunct system. Nor does the fact that the Church has formally condemned these portentous errors exercise the slightest restraint upon them.

I think, Fr. Anthony, you are really warning us about the scoffers that St. Peter warned us about:

2Peter 3:
v.3 � Knowing this first: That in the last days there shall come deceitful scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 Saying: Where is his promise or his coming? For since the time that the fathers slept, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they are wilfully ignorant of: That the heavens were before, and the earth out of water and through water, consisting by the word of God:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished.
7 But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of the ungodly men.

Thank you for repeating the warning. We really are to watch. That is not the same as saying that since the Day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night that we are to pretend that of course it can't happen now, not in my life, not when I have plans for the future...as C.S.Lewis said, sardonically, "why! certainly God wouldn't be so unreasonable, would He?!" but of course we know that it is us who are unreasonable and never the Almighty.

God bless,
Steve

Father, Father,

Are you still here? Does this mean that we've been Left Behind?

CDL

CDL you going to Hell anytime soon. Weekend maybe for old times sake? I seem to recall we went through this in 1966 as well. All the 6's lined up.

Since I'm left behind I'll be going there whether I want to or not. I think I'll check out Hell, Michigan this summer. I wonder how hot it is?

CDL

Dear Dan,
Why would you to to Hell in Michigan for vacation. You should go to Hell in the Grand Caymen islands. It is much nicer.

-Katie g

I didn't know that there was a Hell there. I'll have to check it out someday.

CDL

But, you have to use a handbasket to get there!

Aren't they celebrating 13 days early?