www.byzcath.org Forums General Discussions Town Hall Why was the thread asking people's favorite sites deleted?

That was kinda the point of the thread, no? To promote good sites?


Which site is that? I have not seen any such thing in the rules. Could you point out where it says that please?


So does that mean this thread is going to get deleted now too Alex?

God Bless those who participate in deleted threads!

IC XC NIKA,
-Nik!

[ 09-16-2002: Message edited by: Nik ]

You seem to be imputing motive on the part of our esteemed you-know-who.

And that's very Ukrainian. I think you've been hanging out with Nik or someone for too long

Perhaps that wasn't you-know-who's intention?

Perhaps, Alex, you are right, and maybe I am imputing something that is not there. I just can't help but see the parallels between this thread deletion and another one from some time ago. They virtually happened the same way. At any rate, the only somewhat Ukrainian person I've hung out with a lot is my girlfriend, and I'll be damned if I stop hanging out with her. You'd better get used to me becoming more Ukrainian. :p

If the Administrator had closed the thread without allowing you to rebut, then there would be some credence given to your contention - shared by Nik as well?

True, I did get a word in. But then it was deleted a few minutes later. But I am grateful to the Administrator that thus far in this thread I was able to say what I wanted to.

But the whole thing was eliminated. And, by now, the whole thing is forgotten. I won't tell anyone about it if you won't.

And don't forget to tell Nik to keep mum about it too and not try and provoke others, like he's obviously succeeded in ruining my day.

I don't think it was anyone's intention to ruin anyone's day. I just thought that in fairness my side should've been heard. Now that it has been, I'm OK with things. I'm sorry if I've shared a part in the ruin of your day.

But, for now, I'll just do you and Nik a favour and refrain from posting here any more.

You refraining from posting here is the last thing I'd ever ask for. If you want to do it for your own spiritual benefit, then that's one thing, but if it depended on me, you'd post here as much as you always have.

IMO, it is tacky, to say the least, for those who administer other forums to attempt to use this one as a means to promote theirs.

DJS, I administer the other forum in question, and never once have I taken the opportunity to promote my site here. But when people say and insinuate things here about it that aren't true, you're gonna have to try harder to get me to shut up.

Nik,
The issue of such promotion did come up before on this forum, you participated in the discussion and accepted the outcome, but did grouse about it on at least one other forum.
Search and remember.

Dear Nik,

I didn't think that was the original intention, promoting other sites on this site.

Perhaps sharing info about them - but normally promoting other sites isn't on the agenda. At least not mine .

You know which site requires permission - don't play Ukrainian with me . . .

Deleting threads (and agendas) is up to the Administrator. The action has my vote as it does djs's and some others.

In case this is deleted in short order, please remember that I wish you a good day.

Alex

Dear Mor Ephrem,

I don't doubt that your original posts, which, I didn't see, were well-motivated and appropriate. But the thinly veiled accusation of unfairness against the administrator is not, IMO.

djs

Seems to me that there is a misunderstanding about the internet and forums in general that has led to others complaining about unfair actions and deletions of threads.

We must remember that this is not a free area. There are rules on this forum just as there are on most others.

This forum happens to have no such thing as a "free for all" topic area.

There is no freedom of speech on the internet or on any forum.

It is up to the administrators of any and every forum to deem what is good and what is bad, they can delete anything they like as it is their forum, not ours.

If you don't like it, you can create your own forum, which has been done in at least two cases.

All this complaining about deleted threads and the unfair action needs to stop.

We need to grow up. And before you complain again, I did say WE, which includes myself.

David

Are we not able enough to evaluate the sites ourselves.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

Dear Alex, are not sharing info and promoting the same? Well maybe if the info is negative, its not promoting.

The basic intent, was here are some sites I enjoy, what sites do you enjoy? And from it I learned of a number of good sites. What is the harm in that?

DJ,

It was said not to promote a site by putting it in your signature. Yes I complained since it is allowed in every other forum I have visited, but the admin said links may be placed in a post if the subject at hand warrants it. A post on favorite sites does seem to warrant it, no?

God Bless you all.

IC XC NIKA,
-Nik
Look, no website in my signature!

Dear Nik,

Promoting and sharing aren't the same, but you know that.

Let me share some information with you then.

My favourite site is: www.byzcath.org

It is a great site for Catholics of all Particular stripes, for Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox et alia, men and women, clerics/monastics and laity.

It is where people can discuss a broad range of issues touching liturgical, theological and other expressions of their Particular Churches' way of living the Life in Christ.

Although agendas do surface, they aren't allowed to dominate the board. Not every board does THAT you know. And criticisms of those who are negative toward the Church don't count. Sorry, but they don't.

There, I've said my peace/piece.

Alex

Dear Alex,

I hope that you do not loose your addiction to byzcath.org. What you have to contribute is most important to many who come here to learn.

That you show respect for the administrator is, in my view, a positive quality. Your way of dealing with disagreements with the administrator or moderators is a example of respect and self abnegation for the common good. I hope that you will continue to model it here.

That you return to us even when you encounter less than courteous behavior speaks volumes about your care for our Churches and for us. Personal attacks are sad to read. They are even harder to bear. I think that your strength, that which brings you back to us time and again, is needed here, too.

I agree with your comment:

"A larger question here has to do with the loss of internet manners on the part of posters."

The administrator and the moderators on this site maintain an atmosphere which has grown into something remarkable and rare among such fora.

The question, however, goes deeper. Here's why I think so.

Sometimes things go too far and we wander into untruth or we exhibit a lack of the love for one another that we are charged to show. It is then that those responsible for this Forum take action. They remind us, not only about internet manners, but also they remind us of the regard for truth and justice and of love and respect for eachother that have become a halmark of the Byzantine Forum.

Their action helps to keep The Byzantine Forum a welcoming and supportive cyber community of believers. We need knowledgeable posters to share knowledge with us.

I think we need eachother.

Hope all of the posters here stay and help to build the community.

Steve

[ 09-16-2002: Message edited by: Inawe ]

Since Mor Ephrem has asked, the reason I deleted the entire thread is simply because it had gotten far off track, needed to be addressed, and I am too busy at work these days to spend the time reading every post to figure out what needs to be deleted.

Alex,

You cannot leave. You are my sole source of information on CanByzChurch.

Axios

Dear Axios,

"CanByzChurch?"

We're not there yet, Big Guy! Thanks to our ethnic ghettos, "Canada" to many of our people sounds like a frozen food that comes in a tin . . .

Alex

Dear Nik,

I thought you were Ukrainian Catholic.

When did you decide to become Russian Orthodox?

After WYD 2002?

So when the Soviets came into Western Ukraine in 1946, they wouldn't have needed to torture you for long to become Orthodox, would they?

Are your Ukrainian CAtholic friends and acquaintances still speaking with you?

Alex

[ 09-17-2002: Message edited by: Orthodox Catholic ]