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It is popular to blame the New World Order for most of our global problems. But where is it? The leader is supposed to be invisible. I suppose that means he can't be seen. But how does one have an invisible leader? It seems rather convenient to have a dasturdly enemy that no one can see and whose leader is invisible. Yet, if there really is a New World Order and their really is an invisible leader of it is it too much to ask for some evidence? Anyone?

Dan Lauffer :rolleyes:

Dan, the "New World Order" is a favorite buzzword of conspiracy theorists. Nothing more then that.

Dan:

They won't tell you who they are!
That's the problem.

I want to say that maybe this will sound old fashioned (though I am not a fanatic of any kind. I believe in the evil one, and I believe that we live in an era of unprecedented evil, and this is also represented by the present state of the nations. I believe that this economic-political system is un-christian, and it is a last stage before a One World Government.

No it is not the belief of a couple of conspiracy theory authors, but a long-time ideology which was developped by liberals and freemassons in the XVIII Century (or maybe before). The ideologies of the New World Order are also related to other ideologies such as the "British Israelism" (which gave birth to the Manifest Destiny), where a selected group of advanced people are thought to be chosen by God to colonize the promised land (the New Continent) and to rule th rest of them in the future in the name of progress and to bring a civinlization which will be indefectible and superior.

We who are in countries outside the "developped world" perceive how this order rules, truly independent governments no longer exist, no true elections with real options of change and independence are permitted and laws and candidates are designed in a way that the policies of "integration" and "trade" are not jeopardized.

And those who adhere to it and are sold to the dream of progress have waken up from the ir sweet dreams, there you have Argentina, "the miracle of free trade", a nation which is facing a devastation which is unprecedented. The same patterns are followed in most countries of the world, two parties who are almost the same and who change the government "friendly" and presidents who have no authority to rule their countries but are submitted to what the WTO, WMF and World bank say and do.

And what about those who refuse to adhere to that? well you have President Chavez in Venezuela, he now faces all kind of works of sabotage, subversion and infiltration by who knows who, the Venezuelan experiment will not work as the country is facing the silent boycot of the international organizations.

Is this the free world we want?

The new world order began with Pascha and Pentecost. The leader is "invisible" in a sense, He is Jesus Christ.

Remie,

Your analysis about controlled elections and the like may have some validity. I do not know. Yet, there seems still to be no proof that such a conspiracy exists. Yes, I do believe in Satan. I do believe that he works to confuse and destroy us all. I also believe in God's grace that gives us free will, free will to serve God or not.

If there was such an entity as the NWO some evidence would certainly be available to show that it does exist.

Do you have some scholar to point to who might show such evidence?

Dan Lauffer

Given the global spread of American "culture," I believe that the New World Order is a cheeseburger, fries and a Coke.

Sharon

Dear Sharon:

Your observation is the most credible! (LOL)
(LOL)

AmdG

Dear Sharon,

!

It may be a bit unhealthy, but it goes down easy! :rolleyes:

Steve

Dear Friends,

I had a professor who once saw the conflict between the U.S. and Russia as one between "Coke and Kvas."

He said if the two of these ever got together, a true "revolution" would take place . . .

Alex

Perhaps you have noticed the words "Novus Ordo Seclorum" printed on the back of your dollar bill...

Columcille

Next you will be talking about the Rothschilds and the "Illuminati" :rolleyes: Give us all the credit for having a brain.

Isn't the NWO a group of wrestlers?

Dear Columcille,

Interesting you should bring up the matter of the U.S. dollar bill!

In fact, it is covered with . . . Masonic symbols, including that motto.

A friend of mine is researching a paper to basically disprove the "separation of church and state" thing in the U.S.

He says he can show that the main government monuments in Washington were all actually dedicated according to Masonic ritual. The symbols on the dollar bill are certainly Masonic. Most Masonic Lodges in the U.S. during the American Revolution were also centres of revolutionary activity, as they were during the French Revolution.

Interesting . . .

Alex

Little Green Coat,

Quite so! There is a rumor that Kevin Nash will come back. I hope not. But perhaps his absence has made people think that he is invisible.

But seriously, what is called the New World Order, may be the effects of some Masonic underground efforts. Wasn't Mexico influenced by the Masons for some time, and perhaps still are? Certainly it must seem like some mysterious power is pulling the strings in some of these countries that can't quite get it together.

On the other hand, my old Professor at the Un. of Glasgow said in 1975,"It isn't that America is in the 20th century and the rest of us need to catch up. It is that America is in the 21st century and needs to slow down to let the rest of us catch up."

Dan Lauffer

Dear Dan,

Kevin Nash is invisible?

You mean, like DavidB?

And, if so, do the two of them belong to the same wrestling federation?

I was an amateur wrestling champion, but I never went pro though . . .

Alex

Dear Alex:

I can challenge you only in arm wrestling.

I missed the cut for the full-body wrestling team because I could not grunt as loud as the others.

AmdG

Dear Amado,

Well, I've often thought we needed to come to grips over some issues . . .

I called our wrestling team "Jacob's Ladder" since Jacob wrestled with an Angel.

I understand the Angel used an illegal hold in that match-up too!

Alex

Dan,

I think the UN has alot to do with NWO. If you check your with your local authorities and ask about "Smart Growth" in regards to community development it is an out growth for lack of a better word of a UN resolution. I can't remember what number right now. I think curriculum in US schools is greatly influenced by the UN.The NWO and one sided tade agreements have undermined our nation's sovereignty. Ask Pat Buchanan he can tell you all about it.

Nicky's Baba

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Remie:

"truly independent governments no longer exist"

Well, if a country was self-sufficient in every way and thus did not need to trade or interact with other countries, that country could be independant...but in reality no such "independant" country exist, we are all codependant!

"well you have President Chavez in Venezuela, he now faces all kind of works of sabotage, subversion and infiltration by who knows who"

Oh yes! Comrade Chavez, that great champion of the working class who puts in army thanks agains striking workers!

"Is this the free world we want?"

Well, do you have any viable alternative?
Socialism and planned economy has been tried and failed miserably, it brought nothing but poverty and opression!

Christian

http://www.globalcapitalism.st

I wanted to mention freemassonry, but I prefered to wait for someone to mention it befoe (and I didn't want to sound Anti-american cause Im not antiamerican).

Dan you're right. Freemassonry has always been close to Mexican regimes, they were the ones who "sold" Texas and New Mexico to the USA, the ones who defrocked Emperor Maximilian (including Benito Juarez, who I define as an anti-patriot but is seen by an hero by leierals and communists) and the ones who brought a soviet-style regime here after they got the power (betraying the true Mexican Revolution). Remember that even until 1990 this wqas the only Latin American nation with a rulling party which defined itself as "marxist" (along with Cuba) but this didn't bother the capitalist nations of the West, as long as Mexico had stability, it was ok.

Blessings!

Dear Friends,

But many Catholics today believe that "free masons" are masons that will fix the church steps for free!

Alex

Remie,

I've heard much about the NWO and Freemasonary over the years but I've never seen a scholarly exposition of the subject. Can you or anyone else guide me to one?

Dan Lauffer

Social Democracy in Britain and Western Europe has shown that one can have social justice and a mixed economy. So many Americans fail to really know the historical distinctions between Marxism-Leninism and Social Democratic reform which regulates and tames laissez-faire Capitalism to keep social and economic equality to a minimum.

Dan:

There are some writings by Carlos Abascal that are good in exposing the actions of freemassons in Mexico and the ideology of the NWO. He started a rebelion in the 1940's. He was sent to prission by communists (though I dont agree with some of his ideas, he was quite like an "Antonescu-Pavelic"-like leader, and a veru fanatic cathiolic).

About religious scholars there are some good bibliographies, msot of them are from German and French writers:

AA-1025, The Memoirs of an Anti-Apostle, by Marie Carr�, TAN. (this is a novel)

The Kingship of Christ and The Conversion of the Jewish Nation - Rev. Denis Fahey, C.S.SP.

Supernatural Life � Collections of Essays

Freemasonry and the Vatican -Visconte Leon de Poncins

The ROCOR has published some texts about freemassonry and their relations with communism. I'll try to find some of the sources. There's very few material about this in the Orthodox Church, unfortunately.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brian:

"Social Democracy in Britain and Western Europe has shown that one can have social justice and a mixed economy."

Fair enough, capitalism and capitalism are two different things.

As I live in Sweden, where the Social Democratic party has been in government most of the time the last 50 years, I know how Social Democracy works, with its strengths and weaknesess.

But Social Democracy is still part of the global capitalist, free marked economy.

Christian

All can read Pope Leo XIII's encyclical Humani Genus from 1884 specifically addressing the incapatibilities between Catholocism and Freemasonry.

You can read it on-line in EWTN's library at:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/L13HUMAN.HTM

Remie, I'm suprised you didn't bring up the relationship between Freemasonry and its role in the betrayal and anniliation of the Christeros who were loyal to the Church.

Actually I missed many things. I didn't want to mention them cause I didn't see it had to do with eastern christianity too much, but now I see that there could be a connection.

It is true that among the christeros there were a lot of nouble christians defenders of the faith, but horrible crimes (rape, robbery, burning of towns, massachres) were commited by both sides: the "federales" (communist troops) and the cristeros (thieves infiltrated them too).

It was clear that the unprecedented decision of the hierarchs to close the temples was meant to cause a violent rebelion, which in fact worked in favor of the government (now they could show "evidences of the reactionary character of the christian civilization"). The policies of homogeneization and secularization were brutal: priests and bishops were victims of all kind of unhuman treatment.

This also reached the few small communities of Eastern christians (the greek church was closed, the arabic-speaking orthodox were also persecuted, many Armenians who lived here and who weren't able to escape to USA were killed).
The movement toward Orthodoxy which had started among former roman priests was also anihilated (some of them emigrated to the USA, where a Bishop was consacrated by a Serbian prelate).

At that time, the christeros had surprisingly defeated the Army in the country side, and anti-communist opposition appeared in the cities with leaders who translated the texts of Corneliu Zelea Codreanu and founded organizations inspired in the Legion of St Michael, the Iron Guard of Romania and the Spanish Falange. Even the USA and its anti-communism started to get worried about fascism and decided to support the government with weapons and tried to sign an agreement with the Church. (there was a little bit of paranoia, the christeros were never so powerful).

After the agreements between the Roman Church and the Government, the status of the Roman Church in Mexico was simlar to that of the Orthodox Church in Russia. After the Roman Church had considerable privileges that were denied to other faiths, and at the same time the government could control it. A new organization of "progresive" priests started a campaign against conservative Bishops who were later defrocked and replaced with new liberal ones who imposed the teachings of the Liberation Theology (created by the government) often claiming that they supported VaticanII and who in fact worked against the labour they were supposed to promote (they closed missions and seminaries, restricted the number of priests, agreed with the demolition of baroque churches and its replacement by flat-blocks, etc).

Social Democracy in Britain and Western Europe has shown that one can have social justice and a mixed economy.

I don't see so many alternatives of change with those kinds of governments. Blair's governmment has been even more submissive than the tory ones and has put Britain even more deeply into the yoke of integrationism with the UE. Social-democrats have supported all the policies of "integration" "free trade" and globalization.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Remie:

"I don't see so many alternatives of change with those kinds of governments." (social democratic governments)

Then please tell us, Remie, exactely what is your alternative??!

What political and economic system do you want instead of market economy and free trade??

Christian

Of course, there have to be international agreements and monitoring to insure the rights of workers and the protection of the environment. There cannot be "laissez-faire" market economics. That is why I believe in the social democratic view that capitalism has to be restrained and regulated to insure justice for the impoverished and to lessen exploitation.