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Anent all this I found something interesting on the BBC Site today Analysis: Moscow -Vatican rivalry [ news.bbc.co.uk] Having read this there are various things I would love to correct - but I have the sneaky feeling that they are all due to the original writer being Moscow based. I do however take severe offense at this phrase Ukrainian Eastern-rite Catholics, known as the Uniates.   As I am sure many here would know, I was "adopted" as an honorary Ukie a looooooooooong time ago - but even before that I would not have mentioned the 'U' word since I realised the offense that it caused. However - the article certainly does make interesting reading. Anhelyna
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Originally posted by BarbaraCaridad:
LOL! I'm the only Cuban Orthodox person I know, but I found your Onion Dome spoof funny! I don't think that Orthodoxy will catch on big in Havana...Cubans are fundamentally carnivorous and the fasting would be a turn-off. Barbara, Judging by your description of yourself and your location, I more than suspect that I know you from another board. Welcome to the Forum. Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Dear Incognitus:
The reality is that Rome is not that weak, or weak at all.
Pat. Alexei is pushing the ROC's "Third Rome" thing too much!
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Dear Barbara, I know of two Cuban women who have converted to Orthodoxy after marrying Greek Orthodox men! So, you are not completely alone!  Alice
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Regarding Patriarch Alexy, Apparently, the press in Greece sarcastically said about Patriarch Alexy that 'he SHINED in his obvious absence'! To be fair to him, however, ATLEAST, he did send a delegation to the funeral.  In Christ, Alice
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Originally posted by Irish Melkite: Originally posted by BarbaraCaridad:
[b]LOL! I'm the only Cuban Orthodox person I know, but I found your Onion Dome spoof funny! I don't think that Orthodoxy will catch on big in Havana...Cubans are fundamentally carnivorous and the fasting would be a turn-off.
Judging by your description of yourself and your location, I more than suspect that I know you from another board. Welcome to the Forum.
Many years,
Neil [/b]Hi Neil! Yup, it is true...happy to visit with you all here! And my 2 favorite Saints are...you guessed it! St.Barbara and Our Lady of Charity (La Caridad) of Cobre. I look forward to learning more about Byzantine Catholics away from the other board where some of my compatriots tend to shut down discussion with some knee-jerk anti-Catholicism (sorry to say). In IC XC, Laura
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.
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Originally posted by alice: I know of two Cuban women who have converted to Orthodoxy after marrying Greek Orthodox men! So, you are not completely alone! Alice, No wonder the EP erected a parish in Havana  . Many years, Neil
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More than one person has suggested to me that Patriarch Alexis II of Moscow did not go to the funeral, for fear that John Paul II would rise up from the coffin, welcome the Moscow Patriarch effusively, and suggest that they sit down to breakfast and start talking business! Si non e vero, e ben trovato.
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Originally posted by BarbaraCaridad:
I'm the only Cuban Orthodox person I know, but I found your Onion Dome spoof funny! I don't think that Orthodoxy will catch on big in Havana...Cubans are fundamentally carnivorous and the fasting would be a turn-off.
There does seem to be a double standard, though. Russian Orthodox yell about the Catholic Church prosyletyzing in "historically Orthodox" areas, but they're building a church in HAVANA. There is a Greek Orthodox church there that was consecrated recently...(I have no idea who actually goes there),so I guess Fidel would rather see 2 empty Orthodox churches than allowing the opening of a new Catholic church that would be filled to capacity... I understand - I LOVE Cuban food, especially medianoche sandwiches. Two weeks ago, my favorite little diner (that served these delicacies) in downtown Pittsburgh closed. Much sadness. Looks like I will be visiting Florida much more often! Quiero Quiero mi Cuba libre pa�que la gente puedan pa�que mi gente puedan bailar
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Originally posted by Amadeus:
Dear Incognitus:
The reality is that Rome is not that weak, or weak at all.
Pat. Alexei is pushing the ROC's "Third Rome" thing too much!
Amado Does Alexey consider Moscow to be the Third Rome, or does he consider Rome to be the "Third Moscow" (behind Constantinople, of course
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FWIW, I was VERY annoyed that Patriarch Alexei did not attend...
But then again I am a girl who likes free markets and I thought it was ridiculous for him not to allow a Papal visit to Russia. What was he so afraid of? Did he not have enough faith in the beauty of Orthodoxy? Did he think his flock would run away if given another choice? We are beings with free will, and I do not like these autocratic state-Church trends in Russia (and Greece). People should come to church out of love, not because other choices are discouraged or outright limited.
I thought that was bad enough, but to snub the funeral and not even pay respects and pray for a deceased servant of Christ? What pettiness and hardness of heart wrought that? It saddened and disappointed me beyond words.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.
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The attitude of Moscow towards Roman Catholicism is deeply saddening to my heart. That BBC article makes many statements (some I think are not precisely the case) but it is at least on the right track and that causes in me a deep sense of resignation to schism between Rusia and 'the Latins'.
My heart goes out to the Ukranian Greek Catholic Church and all those who are viewed as the agents of 'uniatism' and trying to poach Orthodox faithful. It seems like the diplomatic chess game we've been playing with the Moscow Patriarchate has sometime employed them--and the other Byzantine Christians--as pawns on the board of play. Agree to do this with them, agree to do that with them, push them here, push them there etc.etc.
If love hopes all things, bears all things and believes all things then the Byzantine Catholics truly are a beacon of love to the world. Because inspite of being buffeted around like a ship on the sea they have stood firm to the unions they agreed on with us. It is well known that in the past Roman Catholics have often treated the (so-called) 'Uniates' like another bobble in our collection, and for that we have tried to apologise. Yet, we should also be apologising right now for continuing to treat you in that manner simply in a more indirect way.
The Moscow Patriarchate has been treated effusively by the Papacy and its response has oft been as cold as the siberian snow. In my humble opinion if relations do not improve after the election of the next Universalis Papae then Rome should lend its unequivocal support to the Ukranian Greek Catholics and allow them Patriarchal status regardless of how Alexy II sees it.
If Alexy II and his episcopate cry out 'uniatism' fine, if he cries out 'proselytism' fine. Let it thus be so. We owe the Byzantine Catholics for years of mistreatment and misguided policy. If they want a Patriarchate they should be aided in establishing one. They are owed honour and dignity for all the struggles they have endured since the union especially throughout the 20th century thanks to Communist tyranny.
God Bless His Beautitude Patriarch Husar of the Lviv/Kiev Rus!
"We love, because he first loved us"--1 John 4:19
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