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Look at this: http://www.cafepress.com/popedope

Then please take the time to write to these people: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/about/contactus.aspx

Sadly, this site has all kinds of rubbish like that, attacking almost everyone one of belief.

Miles, this site is only a "make your own, sell your own" People from different web places do this all the time. They also sell pro-pope things, including several put out by the Cardinal Ratzinger Fan Club site:

http://www.cafepress.com/ratzfanclub

It's like blaming the printer for the stuff the publisher sends over.

Gaudior, who was truly shocked by the nastiness involved in those products you displayed.

I moderate on a Baptist discussion forum, and we chose to pull our promo stuff from the site because of the stuff that is sold there.

We felt it was more like trying to sell Christian books in an adult book shop, and thereby promoting the business.

I can see the point though of it being like the printer, but we chose to get out.

I think you are right in your comparison of selling Christian books in an adult bookstore. Scripture repeatedly warns us about being careful in the company we keep. I suspect there are many good reasons for those warnings. We do set an example for good or evil with our associations.

This is vile, grotesque, pathetic and obscene. As Christians we should pray for these perpetrators, vendors and buyers. Freedom of speech, freedom of the press and free commerce do not justify slander and libel.

Amen - I don't think we should give the appearance that we condone this kinf of commercialism, IMHO.

"For better is one day in Thy courts than thousands elsewhere. I have chosen rather to be an outcast in the house of my God than to dwell in the tents of sinners." Psalm 83:11

Σώσον, Κύριε, καί διαφύλαξον η�άς από τών Βασιλιάνικων τάξεων!

Unfortunately, while I agree in principle, it is not at this moment legal to ban speech on the grounds that it offends certain unprotected groups, like Christians. Our American judiciary system will not get involved with issues such as blasphemy, for the sole reaon that the separation of Church and State has made such an impact on our society that not only will the courts not rule on blasphemy, but also that the vendor of same has merely to tell the press that such-and-such a religious group is out to censor him, and his sales will go up by the thousands.

Sadly, we can but govern our own purchases, not those of others. I know one very rabid person with a "Cause" who wanted to make certain that they never bought anything connected with tobacco companies...like Oreos, chicken broth, etc. She felt this form of boycott would convince the tobacco companies that tobacco was evil, but was rather non-plussed when I commented that it was far more likely that they would conclude that tobacco was profitable, and food was not, and up the tobacco portion of their business.

Gaudior, who asks whether you would also refuse to purchase a book from a company which also sells anti-Christian material? And, if so, how far are you willing to carry the principle? To extend to all the subsidiaries and parent companies?

Gaudior, as I tell someone who wants me to stop buying products associated with any company that supports contraception or abortion, "do you want me to live in the woods and go naked?" I can only keep up with so much that these companies do, not everything. If I see a really blatant example, I can choose not to do business with that company. There's probably plenty of stuff I would object to, if I knew about it.

Excellent point - does anyone here ever shop at Amazon.com? I know I do - they're a GREAT source for lots of great Catholic (and Orthodox) books - some of which would be difficult/impossible to locate elsewhere. Should I stop utilizing their fantastic services because they also sell "The Da Vinci Code"?

I was going to say that I sincerely doubt that we will see anyone actually wearing this stuff in public, but then I realized that I live very close to Chapel Hill. Someone will probably show up wearing one at some point.

Vie

I actually left a rosary-making online group over a tiff on this very subject.

I made the comment that I try to buy my rosary-making supplies from Catholics if possible, because the Fathers told their flock they shouldn't buy their incense from pagans. Someone replied that she was glad JESUS didn't feel that way, that he came for the Gentiles too. Someone else told her you shouldn't discount the Church Fathers so lightly. Then someone else said she uses beads from Buddhist malas to make her rosaries, and blesses them with holy water. It turned into a big argument.

I left the group because they continued to attack me personally for taking a stance on this. I just feel that we should support the bretheren in our own Churches first (in my case, Catholics) before going outside our Church and certainly before buying from pagans.

Tammy

Regarding buying support for our Churches, and especially for our monasteries, 100% spot on for that, Tammy! We need to do our very best to support those institutions which we agree with morally... But to avoid those which we do not share values with is often impossible, due to the multi-national conglomerate effect happening...as Charles said...we'd be starving and naked if we tried.

Gaudior, who supports the monasteries wherever possible.

Agreed! That's why I said I buy from Catholics FIRST. I can't get everything I need from Catholic sources, but when I find a choice between a Catholic supplier and a non-Catholic supplier, I buy from the Catholic, even if they are slightly more expensive.

Tammy

why waste time on them?

Once, when i was a bigger fool than now, i thought of having my own hacker team and hack all sites that were against what i believe in; i knew some hacking and i had some hacker friends. thank the Lord i did not, Thank the Lord i saw the light before acting in such foul ways.

Today i decided that instead of wasting time on fighting such sites that misslead christians, i will build and support sites that show the light.

I will fight darkness with light.

God bless you all,
hope you all have a Blessed Easter (soon more surprises)

Well said, Eli.

I think that the products say a lot more about the originator (and the wearers!) than they do about anything else.........

Marc