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#181927 01/13/06 02:17 AM
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Hi Zenovia !

I think what you described is fairly, but not completely, accurate.

I have known some phsyicians who are open to non-Western forms of medicine. They are concerned first with finding therpeutic results that help the paitent: regardless of where those therapies come from.



Agreed.


Sadly, some who feel this way cannot (or feel they cannot) undertake the additional study to become competent in alternative medicine: they have practices to estrablish, student loans to pay off and so on. But, some do explore it and (like Dr. Eric) they find parts of non-Western medicine to be useful.


I disagree, I have a practice to build and still have time to fly to California once per month for an extended weekend to learn this wonderful system of medicine.


And then there is one doctor I know of. He was totally trained and convinced of Western style medicine. Now, after almost 40 years of practicing medicine, he has seen some things happen in nature and in patients that don't always fit what the textbooks say should happen. And he too has become more open-minded.


It's never too late to learn something new. I'm glad to hear it. You should listen to him. Medicine is not theology, there is plenty of wiggle room for different strategies. We're not arguing over one letter here (homoousios vs homoiousios.)


A certain degree of caution is justified. Many things which are touted as "natural cures" are shams.

I agree to a certain extent, you have to know what the person touting the treatment is about. For instance that Kevin Trudeau guy and his "Natural Cures 'They' Don't Want You to Know About." He is a $cientologist (PM me about that cult.) His angle is to sell his book to pay for a $500.00 per hour confession to an untrained amateur who can't give absolution. I'm also not convinced by homeopathy and reflexology. (I like a foot rub as much as the next guy, maybe even more smile but I don't think it does what they say it does.

But, many "alternative medicines" seem to be effective, to one extent or another; and it seems like more and more phsycians are open to investigating them.

Dr Eric? Comments

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Dear John,

I don't know where you live, but in this area the doctors will say that it is all nonsense, and that companies that sell herbs or nutritional suppliments are only out to make money.

From what I have gathered, the pharmaceutical companies give some kind of a 'kick-back' to doctors who proscribe their medicines. I just heard of one doctor, that gives people samples of anti-depressants. He doesn't mention that one will gain weight, and I mean lots of weight from them... adding of course to their depression.

As an example: I read recently, that omega 3 oil, (salmon, cod liver, flax seed), taken for three months was found to relieve depression better than any anti-depression on the market. Now find me a doctor that will tell you that.
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Here's one wink Your brain is made of fat, you need fat to FUNCTION. That's why low fat diets, cholesterol under 170, birth control pills (which suck out all B vitamins) and the rest are all implicated in depression. Also, families and friends don't live together anymore. Before the 60s, everyone lived in a neighborhood extended family. Even your nextdoor neighbor was like family. Now, no one knows his neighbor or trusts him.

When acupuncture is used, the body releases serotonin in the brain only, not in the rest of the body. Now, we have a way to treat depression "with low risk of sexual side effects"-- NO, NO SIDE EFFECTS except an occasional bruise. (PM me about it)

Thanks,
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Uh, no offense, Doctor, but it seems to me that health and nutrition are like religion: a million conflicting theories.
Unlike religion, however, there is no Church and no Magisterium...
When you hear contradictory theories and therapies how do you decide what is right?
-Daniel

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Uh, no offense, Doctor, but it seems to me that health and nutrition are like religion: a million conflicting theories.
Unlike religion, however, there is no Church and no Magisterium...
When you hear contradictory theories and therapies how do you decide what is right?
-Daniel
You're right about that. You hear coffee is bad for you, and then on the CBS morning show you hear Hilary Clinton's stunt double tell you of a study which says that coffee is good for you. Who do you believe? Find out who paid for the study. Most of the studies that tout coffees health benefits are paid for by the coffee industry. confused

Also, when you hear of an herb that doesn't work like it was supposed to, usually the wrong species was used. Like in the latest study on Echinacea was flawed. The dosages were one tenth the recommended dose and were dried instead of fresh herbal extracts. The test subjects were given the rhinovirus by squirting it up their noses, not how people usually get the virus. Also, the rhinovirus was a strain that is harmless. Finally, as the herbalists say, if you take Echinacea augustifolia or Echinacea purpura after you get your cold it's too late to reduce the symptoms. You are supposed to take it a little bit per day to prevent the cold. It boosts the "soldier cells."

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Man, are you trying to depress me? I greeted the news that coffee was full of antioxidants with joy; to see a guilty pleasure transformed into a healthy habit is a great thing.
Are you sure you're not a Seventh Day Killjoy Adventist?
biggrin Daniel

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Catholic body blood and soul!!!

Coffee in chinese medicine puts heat in your liver. Basically it makes you nervous, edgy, and prone to anger. In China one only drinks coffee when one has to make a tough decision. mad wink

Explanation: In traditional chinese medicine (from now on TCM) certain organs have a "spirit" to them. Heart = joy; Spleen = worry/mental rumination/sympathy; Lungs = grief; Kidneys = fear; Liver = anger. These are oversimplifications, really it is the inappropriateness of the emotion which is the key factor in determining what is really out of balance. Before you think I'm nuts, my original acupuncture teacher did a study with Harvard Medical School with a functional MRI (fMRI) which shows what's going on in the brain at the exact moment. He put a needle into what is known as He Gu (In chinese Joining the valley) this point is the Yuan (source) point that goes directly into the Large Intestine and treats it at the deepest most primordial level. It is the point that is in the fleshy part between your thumb and forefinger close to the bone of the forefinger. When he twisted the needle (the needles are only .25mm thick, like the smaller guitar strings) and the Qi had arrived at the needle (a heavy, achy, or "tongue on a 9V battery" feeling) the part of the brain associated with the Large Intestine lit up! Other points have lit up other areas corresponding to their respective functions as well.

Here's the weird part, how did some chinese guy 3000 years ago figure that out? confused confused confused

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For the first Winter in many years, I haven't had even a trace of a cold, sore throat, sniffles etc. And wait till you hear what I have to attribute it to. It's a real shocker, but this year when Nicor announced they were raising winter heating prices a whopping 71 pct in the Midwest, we decided it was war, so to speak, and so we've kept the temperature in our house between about 54 and 61 degrees during waking hours and have had it as cold as 43 when we get up. A year ago, I would have thought that keeping your home that cool was a guaranteed way to get pneumonia, but I've discovered it has the exact opposite affect. I can't believe how accustom I've become to having the temperature inside my house in the 50's at almost all times. I do wear pullovers, and sleep with an electric blanket, but the whole ordeal has been remarkably easy and has made me considerably healthier, plus I just love beating the system. Last heating bill was $59.

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Them little bacteria varmints don't like it cold...that's why hospitals are a bit on the chilly side.

Of course being a senior of sorts, I've embraced a reptilian atitude...I like it warmmmmm (but only in this life...) wink

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I always knew that harmful bacteria thrived under warm conditions, but it wasen't until Nicor drastically raised there prices that I got motivated to live in a much cooler home environment. Since I've never been a warm and fuzzy type, I've had no trouble adapting.

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I remember those days long ago in Boston when my mother had to order heating oil for those wonderful steam radiators...it was my task to check the float level & shoveling snow etc...

My old injuries and bones start to ache when exposed to freezing temps after a while...

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There is much to be said for our returning to a 'traditional' 'rural' and natural diet. Alkalizing helps in preventing many maladies, and in myself have proved it, since I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. I know a Priestmonk who halved his PSA count by the regimen of diet and herbals...alone...no drugs, no surgery, no radiation...! So, search the NET and eat more raw veggies, non-hormonal and non-antibiotic meat, drink more good water, etc. Happy hunting, Mik

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The last few years I've tried loading up on Vitamin C tablets, Olivenol, Acacia, and a few others, and have had some success in staying healthy. Never imagined that lowering the temperature at home to between 54-61 degrees would (so far) eliminate colds and sore throats entirely.

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James,
If the cold makes your bones hurt. You should try Thai food. The mint, basil, coconut, and peppers will drive the ache out of your bones. Also, keep those joints warm!!!*


*These statements have not been approved by the FDA, yadda, yadda, yadda. Seek professional medical advice before trying out any new health regimine, etc, etc, etc...

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