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Finally! http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15894 The Vatican Confronts Islam by Daniel Pipes Posted Jul 05, 2006
�Enough now with this turning the other cheek! It�s our duty to protect ourselves.� Thus spoke Monsignor Velasio De Paolis, secretary of the Vatican�s supreme court, referring to Muslims. Explaining his apparent rejection of Jesus� admonition to his followers to �turn the other cheek,� De Paolis noted that �The West has had relations with the Arab countries for half a century � and has not been able to get the slightest concession on human rights.�
De Paolis is hardly alone in his thinking; indeed, the Catholic Church is undergoing a dramatic shift from a decades-old policy to protect Catholics living under Muslim rule. The old methods of quiet diplomacy and muted appeasement have clearly failed. The estimated 40 million Christians in Dar al-Islam, notes the Barnabas Fund�s Patrick Sookhdeo, increasingly find themselves an embattled minority facing economic decline, dwindling rights, and physical jeopardy. Most of them, he goes on, are despised and distrusted second-class citizens, facing discrimination in education, jobs, and the courts.
These harsh circumstances are causing Christians to flee their ancestral lands for the West�s more hospitable environment. Consequently, Christian populations of the Muslim world are in a free-fall. Two small but evocative instances of this pattern: for the first time in nearly two millennia, Nazareth and Bethlehem no longer have Christian majorities.
This reality of oppression and decline stands in dramatic contrast to the surging Muslim minority of the West. Although numbering fewer than 20 million and made up mostly of immigrants and their offspring, it is an increasingly established and vocal minority, granted extensive rights and protections even as it wins new legal, cultural, and political prerogatives.
This widening disparity has caught the attention of the Church, which for the first time is pointing to radical Islam, rather than the actions of Israel, as the central problem facing Christians living with Muslims.
Rumblings of this could be heard already in John Paul II�s time. For example, Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, the Vatican equivalent of foreign minister, noted in late 2003 that �There are too many majority Muslim countries where non-Muslims are second-class citizens.� Tauran pushed for reciprocity: �Just as Muslims can build their houses of prayer anywhere in the world, the faithful of other religions should be able to do so as well.�
Catholic demands for reciprocity have grown, especially since the accession of Pope Benedict XVI in April 2005, for whom Islam is a central concern. In February, the pope emphasized the need to respect �the convictions and religious practices of others so that, in a reciprocal manner, the exercise of freely-chosen religion is truly assured to all.� In May, he again stressed the need for reciprocity: Christians must love immigrants and Muslims must treat well the Christians among them.
Lower-ranking clerics, as usual, are more outspoken. �Islam�s radicalization is the principal cause of the Christian exodus,� asserts Monsignor Philippe Brizard, director general of Oeuvre d�Orient, a French organization focused on Middle Eastern Christians. Bishop Rino Fisichella, rector of the Lateran University in Rome, advises the Church to drop its �diplomatic silence� and instead �put pressure on international organizations to make the societies and states in majority Muslim countries face up to their responsibilities.�
The Danish cartoons crisis offered a typical example of Catholic disillusionment. Church leaders initially criticized the publication of the Muhammad cartoons. But when Muslims responded by murdering Catholic priests in Turkey and Nigeria, not to speak of scores of Christians killed during five days of riots in Nigeria, the Church responded with warnings to Muslims. �If we tell our people they have no right to offend, we have to tell the others they have no right to destroy us, � said Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican�s Secretary of State. �We must always stress our demand for reciprocity in political contacts with authorities in Islamic countries and, even more, in cultural contacts,� added Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo, its foreign minister.
Obtaining the same rights for Christians in Islamdom that Muslims enjoy in Christendom has become the key to the Vatican�s diplomacy toward Muslims. This balanced, serious approach marks a profound improvement in understanding that could have implications well beyond the Church, given how many lay politicians heed its leadership in inter-faith matters. Should Western states also promote the principle of reciprocity, the results should indeed be interesting.
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Finally!!! is right. The Church has been giving an uncertain sound for years. We don't need to be hateful but we must protect the Christians around the world. A bully we keep on bullying as long as no one stands up to him. The same is true here. The problem is dar al Islam is a tough reality. Muslim teaching considers the entire world to belong to them. Doing nothing will doom us to a minority and increasingly persecuted status.
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Sometimes, I think the Church had the right idea about dealing with Islam centuries ago.
What's that? Queen Isabella and King Jan III Sobieski knew what they were doing.
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Originally posted by carson daniel lauffer: Finally!!! is right. The Church has been giving an uncertain sound for years. We don't need to be hateful but we must protect the Christians around the world. A bully we keep on bullying as long as no one stands up to him. The same is true here. The problem is dar al Islam is a tough reality. [b] Muslim teaching considers the entire world to belong to them . Doing nothing will doom us to a minority and increasingly persecuted status.CDL [/b] Bravo Dan! Please keep on speaking this truth. We must keep our focus on the reality of this world wide situation or else we will indeed be doomed. In Christ, Alice
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Dear Mr. Clean, Well Queen Isabella might have gotten rid of the Muslims, but they're coming back. According to Bin Laden's second in command, Mr. Z------, (I can never spell his name right anyway), wants to restore the Caliphate from Iraq to Spain. From what I've read, it's a big topic of conversation with the elite in Jordan. They say that they, not the Spaniards of today, are the original inhabitants. :rolleyes: I think it has the Spanish kind of worried, especially considering the amount of land being bought up by the Saudi's. Hmmm! It's time we began to really start concentrating on alternative energy. Zenovia
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Spain has forgotten her history in the desire to be like the rest of Western Europe.
Poland, on the other hand, has not forgotten her history or abandoned the Faith. I think Poland will not forget. Poles are Slavs, and Slavs never forget.
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Let's not forget that Israel isn't quite an ally of Christians in Nazereth and Bethlehem either. The Christians get it from both sides in that region.
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This is true...and Israel does not have the best track record on human rights.
But I'd sooner live with an Israeli than a militant Muslim.
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If Christians in Bethlehem and Nazareth "get it" from Israelis, it's not because of their religion but because of their Palestinian ethnicity.
Regarding Isabella et al, I have often wondered why the Protestant territories and colonies became so prosperous over centuries while the Catholic lands to this day are comparatively poor. Could it have anything to do with the northern Protestants welcoming (or at least tolerating) the Jewish talent driven out by Catholic monarchs?
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Originally posted by Mr. Clean: Sometimes, I think the Church had the right idea about dealing with Islam centuries ago.
What's that? Queen Isabella and King Jan III Sobieski knew what they were doing. Let's not go THAT far in our enthusiasm. Oppression is oppression.
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Originally posted by Mr. Clean: Spain has forgotten her history in the desire to be like the rest of Western Europe.
Poland, on the other hand, has not forgotten her history or abandoned the Faith. I think Poland will not forget. Poles are Slavs, and Slavs never forget. Actually, Poland during the Reformation was quite a motley collection of different Faiths and was known for it's tolerance in an era of religious war (compared to France and Germany in the same era for example)
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Originally posted by Brian: Let's not go THAT far in our enthusiasm. Oppression is oppression. Agreed, Brian. The Catholic Church teaches that the Muslims are still our brothers in so far as they believe in the one God who is our Creator. The fact that 10% or so of their number are committed to fratricide through radical jihad does not mean that the other 90% should be oppressed. But those 10% need to be dealt with somehow. I'm glad that the Vatican is speaking out. Gordo
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Obtaining the same rights for Christians in Islamdom that Muslims enjoy in Christendom has become the key to the Vatican's diplomacy toward Muslims. This balanced, serious approach marks a profound improvement in understanding that could have implications well beyond the Church, given how many lay politicians heed its leadership in inter-faith matters. Should Western states also promote the principle of reciprocity, the results should indeed be interesting. This "principle of reciprocity" has been the bedrock and anchor of Vatican diplomacy over the centuries. It is only now that the principle is being thrust into the forefront because of the recent martyrdom of Fr. Santoro in Turkey (and the knife attack on his replacement) and of another priest in Nigeria, both clearly viewed by the Vatican as a direct offshoot of Muslim "righteous" indignation for the Dutch media caricature of Mohammad as a "warmonger." It has been in play in the Philippines for almost 400 years now, where the minority Muslims (about 5% of the predominantly Catholic 85 million population) have been waging a bitter and recriminatory war for "secession and independence" or, alternatively, for a "larger" say in government and a free and untrammeled expression of their Islamic faith in areas held traditionally by Catholics. By the 1970s, the Muslim Filipinos were allowed to build a big mosque in downtown Manila, right across one of the most popular Catholic shrines, the Church of the Black Nazarene. Conversely, it was the foundation for the succesful secession of East Timor from Muslim Indonesia in 2002, when the predominantly Catholic island country (93%, a former colony of Portugal) gained independence from Indonesia after 26 years of forced accession/occupation and a bloody civil war. Freedom of religion, as a basic human right, should be assured by the government of every state. A measurable manifestation of such freedom is believed by the Vatican to be in the support for the principle of reciprocity in the exercise of one's faith within one's country and anywhere in the world. I think this is the key issue underlining the Pope's official visit to Turkey this November. The Vatican has been diplomatically careful to say that Turkey's accession to the EU should be based on her recognition and protection of basic humang rights, freedom of worship being one and held dear by the Vatican. The Ankara government is not enamored of the Vatican position. (On the other hand, the rationale for the EP's support for Turkey's accession is clearly based on the latter's fight for survival, the thinking being that once Turkey is eventually admited to the EU, the EP will be freed from the stranglehold of Turkey's government thus recovering its past glory.) It will be interesting to see how Pope Benedict XVI will couch diplomatically the "principle of reciprocity" during his visit to Turkey in about 3 months. Amado BTW, Rome is advancing the "principle of reciprocity" in behalf of all Christendom vis-a-vis Islam and vis-a-vis other non-Christian religions.
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Originally posted by ebed melech: This is true...and Israel does not have the best track record on human rights.
But I'd sooner live with an Israeli than a militant Muslim.
Gordo Hello Gordon, I'm not directing this to you but to anyone using the terminology "militant" Muslim. To me, that is just to sugarcoat terrorism. Militant makes it sound like it's a martyrdom effort. There's NOTHING martyrdom about terrorism. Militant Muslims are TERRORIST, pure and simple. Also, the terminology "occupation" is not accurate when one refers to Israeli "occupation" in the Gaza strip or any parts of Israel. Occupation makes it sound like it's an invasion or "illegally occupied". The Palestines are indeed in "occupation" status in Israel, which should be an appropriate point of view, but of course in the Palestine's view it's not "occupation." So, folks, let's be careful with words, because words mean so much when it's chosen. Politically incorrectness can do us dis-service, because it can sway from the truth or facts. SPDundas Deaf Byzantine (Not "hearing-impaired" Byzantine  )
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