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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Serge:

Perhaps you can look at my dream and what efforts I can make to bring it to fruition as a kind of reparation — also emphasizing that what apostolic Christians share in common far outweighs any differences.
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Serge,
With the love for your fellow Christians you show there, your dream will come to fruition .

With the prayers those of us who cannot help in a material way , you will succeed.

With the help of those who can help you in material ways, you will succeed.

With so many of us praying for this venture, Catholic and Orthodox, God will surely answer our prayers

May Our Blessed Lady , Mother of us all, my Mistress, keep all who labour to bring about God's Kingdom here on earth, safe in her care.

Angela

[ 02-05-2002: Message edited by: Our Lady's slave of love ]

Dear Ukrainiancatholic,

I too am one . . .

My grandfather was a priest who was tortured as well. My Great-Uncle was Metropolitan Vladimir Sterniuk.

Eastern Catholics have not ALWAYS been kind to the Orthodox either, you know . . .

But I was simply saying that there are Russian Orthodox Christians who have helped our Church out, and that is a fact.

I met one who was particularly adept at helping our nuns and defending them.

I was so sure that he was an Eastern Catholic, but he was Russian Orthodox.

Just like I was so sure that Reader Sergius is Eastern Catholic, but, but . . . no?

Yes, no. . .

Reader Sergius has done more to give assistance to the spiritual lives of Eastern Catholics than anyone.

And if Reader Sergius ever became "Orthodox in union with Rome" to serve our Ruthenian, Ukrainian and Russian Catholic people, who among us would not fall down before him, prostrate and in tears?

I know I would . . .

But we love Reader Sergius where he is, a Russian Orthodox Christian.

Three cheers for the Russian Reader with the Rosary!

Hip, hip - HURRAH!
Hip, hip - HURRAH!
Hip, hip - HURRAH!

Alex

Ahh...
Volodymyr Sterniuk. He ordained our pastor in Ukraine a few years before he died. I also belive he was head of the undergroud church. When I was in L'viv last summer, I went in to St. George's and I land up spending 2 hours alone in the crypt sitting in this chair. It was a pretty awesome feeling to be amougnst the reposed Metropolitians like Sheptytsky and Sembratovych and Sterniuk and not to mention Patriarch Joseph I and Patriarch Myroslav-Ivan I. I hope in my above post I didnt sound anti Russian Orthodox. When I was younger we went to I think the Jordanville Monastery, or this big one in NY, and I remeber the monks weren'r that friendly but at the Russian Cathedral in San Fran where Metropolitian John of Shanghi was, the priest who took us around the cathedral was very gracious and welcoming. But in the end, we all pray to the same God.
-ukrainiancatholic

Interesting. When I was taken to Jordanville (along with one Ukie, one Magyar, one Melkite Jesuit scholastics) along with a REALLY HIGH CHURCH Marian Father (Polski/Ukraini), we had a wonderful visit. But when we entered the church building, we were speaking with one of the monks (a young Irish guy -- educated at St. Aloysius parish and Gonzaga High School in DC). When he learned we were "them", we were quite unceremoniously tossed out on our butts. So much for the Jordanville visit.

In San Francisco, however, I visited the ROCOR Sobor. Although not warmly welcoming, they allowed me to visit the church (saying NOT to take photos) and actually waited while I venerated the various icons. They were actually real Russians -- heavy accents. And very welcoming. And I was very grateful for their kindness and their willingness to delay their departure to accommodate this stranger from the East. When confronted with "Russian" stuff, I always remember these people and I pray for them, their families and their community.

I may be going to Philly this coming Saturday. Can I find out about this parish? I would be willing to pay high Philly bucks to take a hotel overnight if necessary to visit and support the community/parish for Saturday evening.

Blessings!

All serious inquiries about the name and location (city) of this church are welcome — please e-mail me. What I envision is some Byzantine and Roman Catholics from the several Churches represented here contacting the Ukrainian Catholic diocese this church belongs to and offering the suggestions here along with an offer of material aid (money and manpower, including singing voices, pastry chefs, etc.).

http://oldworldrus.com

[ 02-06-2002: Message edited by: Serge ]

Dear Friends,

I visited Jordanville with my in-laws.

Nestor is a big fan of the Kyivan Caves Lavra and highly venerates St Nestor the Chronicler as his patron.

An Irish convert to Orthodoxy (how come so many from this cultural group?) wanted to talk down to Nestor.

Nestor jumped on him immediately, and asked him all sorts of pointed questions about the Lavra and Kyiv (Jordanville has a set of Relics of all the Lavra Saints).

The Orthodox Irishman then quieted down and realized that a Ukrainian Catholic who has been to Kyiv many times MIGHT know a thing or two more about the Lavra et al. than he . . .

Although they say the Irish never give up, he did accept us and took us around the monastery.

The Russians I have always found to be warm and friendly, once they find out I'm a Ukie. One of them, from Chernihiv/Chernigov spoke some of the most grammatically beautiful Ukrainian I've ever had the pleasure of hearing.

As do a number of those Irish converts too.

Alex

Orthodox -Catholic,
Well maybe the monks at Jordanville were not all that friendly to us because we were speaking Ukrainian and I recall my mom was sporting a tryzub bitton or something nationalistic. I didn't know the had relics of all the saints of the Great Lavra, so that mst mean they have relics of Volodymyr and Olha and Met. Petro Mohyla? When we were in Ukraine, we didn't get to go to the Great Lavra because we were there to see the Pope and when we walked by the gates there were monks protesting so we wuld have felt a little uncomfortable. Plus they are Moscow Patriarch......
-ukrainiancatholic

Dear Ukrainiancatholic,

Yes, Nestor didn't have his Tryzub button on when we went to Jordanville . . .

We spoke in Ukrainian, since we are more comfortable in that language, and the Russians were O.K. with that.

I am not saying they don't have Ukrainophobes, I know they do.

I understand we Ukrainians have a few Russophobes as well . . .

The relic box I saw at Jordanville is large with about 130 little compartments in which there is a Relic of each of the Kyivan Caves Saints. I don't know about our Royal Saints and St Peter Mohyla wasn't canonized yet at the time.

I have a Cross from them which I asked them to place on the Relics - and they were only too happy to.

This reliquary was given to Jordanville by Bishop Blessed Leonty Filipovich of Chile.

He was Ukrainian and a direct descendant of the Ukrainian martyr, St Athanasius of Brest.

Athanasius protested against the Unia at the time of Bohdan Khmelnitsky's uprising.

The Poles decided to make an example of him, had him tortured, made him dig his own grave, shot him twice in the head and buried him alive.

His cult was popular among Eastern Catholics and the Jesuits (wonderful people really) tried to get Eastern CAtholics to stop going on pilgrimage to his relics by establishing the Feast of St Josaphat on September 16, two days before the Orthodox feast of St Athanasius.

Met. Andrew Sheptytsky later placed St Josaphat's feast where it should be, on November 12/25.

Alex

I agree. Tell me where to send the money.

Joe Zollars