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Dear Brethern,

There are several different groups of Traditional Catholics,some who seperate themselves from Rome others who are in "communion" with Rome and the Holy Father but voice there unhappiness with Vatican II and the changing of the Traditional Mass,Rubrics,Sacred Canon. Maybe the word traditional should be replaced with "orthodox" making it "Roman Orthodox Catholic". Of course I am of the opinion of the later.

In Christ,
James

Dear James,

Niech bedzie pochwalony Jezus Christus!

"Orthodox Roman Catholic" sounds great to me . . .

Certainly, "Orthodox" as a term still is part of the official nomenclature of Roman Catholicism, just as "Catholic" is of the Orthodox Church.

Then there is that beautiful term "Orthodox Greek Catholic" that seems to unite the best of both worlds .

But the problem with "Orthodox" is that there is no one or no group that considers itself anything else but . . .

Alex

Pozdrowiena, my Spiritual Brother Alex ,

Yes,true it does sound good. We Roman Orthodox do struggle to keep tradition alive in the Roman Rite .

I don't know how you juggle work,posting etc but you are very Blessed indeed Brother .

I'm trying to locate a document that states the Latin Mass was not eliminated,but was to be used as well as the "Modern" one. In the document it states that the latin was misinterperted.

In Christ,
James

Okay. Want me to write you one.

Brother Axios,

I take some offence with your remark,how would you feel if someone changed or eliminated your way of worship that had be used traditionally for years upon years.

Review these articles to see how I feel,and please respect it.

www.catholicrestoration.org/compare.htm [catholicrestoration.org]

(Compares the old mass vs the new mass)

www.theuniversityconcourse.com/VI,2,11-12-2000/shorttakes.htm [theuniversityconcourse.com]

(Eastern Christianity & Western Liturgical Reform)

I am sure I could list more but do not have the time or patience.

James

Logos,

I echo your remakes, Gibson does seem "twitchy."

Being a chain smoker and coffee fiend as Mel is purported to be would certainly keep one on the jittery side.

It does not sound great to me for two reasons.

1) By applying this label to the Tradition Latin crowd you are saying that those Roman Catholics who attend the current Latin Rite are somehow not orthodox.

2) I think for one to be an orthodox believer in the Latin Church, one must follow the edicts of their patriarch, the pope, and thier bishops. By holding to the Latin Mass, and at times attending it outside of the Catholic Church, can they truly be said to be doing this?


David