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RISU has an interesting interview with Vladyka Milan �a�ik of Mukačevo/U�horod:
http://www.risu.org.ua/eng/religion.and.society/interview/article;3324/
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Chtec, Wow! He really tip-toed around the ethnic question with regards to the faithful of the Mukachevo Eparchy. I think he was selected only as an Eparchial Administrator because Rome is still not sure who to name as the regular Eparchial bishop.
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He seems to be interested in authentic liturgical restoration, I like that 
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Originally posted by Ung-Certez:
Chtec, Wow! He really tip-toed around the ethnic question with regards to the faithful of the Mukachevo Eparchy. Ung-Certez, I didn't think he did, at all: In our eparchy, Liturgies are held in four languages: Church Slavonic, Ukrainian, Hungarian and Romanian. The issue of nationality, as well as the choice of religion, is something very personal. All we can do is try to understand. According to church canons, the bishop was sent to be the pastor for all people on his territory. This is clearly said in the ecclesiastical law for the Eastern churches. Therefore, I want to work here for as long as God gives me strength to do it. The first thing I am asking Him for is to give me wisdom to find a kind approach to all people and to be a pastor for all people, regardless whether they consider themselves Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians or Romanians. There are also Slovaks, but they make no demands and attend the Liturgies they want. In the cathedral, Liturgies are held in three languages. Nobody is spying on anybody here. Everybody is free to choose what they want.
In my opinion, the church has to serve all people. Despite the period of certain changes taking place now, the church has to be in a higher position; it cannot give preference to one people and wage war against the others. I believe our priests are trying to work honestly for all people. I also thought he made it very clear that the Eparchy of Mukachevo is a separate entity from the UGCC. This issue (the erection of a UGCC Patriachate) has no direct connection to us, but still it is a matter of concern to us since we are Greek Catholics. All in all, for one raised a Latin Catholic but sitting in a Byzantine hierarchical post locum tenens, I thought his replies to the interview questions were very thoughtful and well-said. I saw nothing that made me think that he wouldn't be a good candidate for appointment as Eparch. Like Michael, I was impressed by his desire to restore authentic liturgical tradition and practice. I am trying to follow our traditions and all our directives. Some people were surprised when from the very beginning I served the pontifical Liturgy ... Some people thought I made up a new rite. The problem was that my predecessors were not accustomed to the pontifical Liturgy. I just took the hierarchal prayer book published in Rome for our church in the Church Slavonic language; so, I serve Liturgies according to this. I haven�t introduced anything new.
I am doing my best to have everything in the church there should be. For instance, not many people knew about the Liturgy of the Pre-Sanctified Gifts ... So, I asked our priests in a circulating letter to serve this Liturgy on Wednesdays and Fridays during Great Lent. Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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It's a Rusyn-majority eparchy and the word "Rusyn" is never uttered. That would be tip-toeing.
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Tim,
We all know that the "R_ _ _ _" word is not to be uttered on Ukrainian territory!
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Please to forgive outrage committed by poor Rusnak peasant.
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A most interesting and worth-while interview; thanks for the reference. Actually, Bishop Milan seems quite astute. And I noticed with pleasure that he considers the peculiar jurisdictional position of the Eparchy to be something "for the time being".
On a couple of small matters: it is true that the feasts of Corpus Christi and the Sacred Heart were not formally received by the Eparchy before the suppression of the Church under the Communists; in consequence, the calendars published by and for the Pittsburgh Exarchate/Eparchy/Metropolia noted that these were only observed in the Ukrainian jurisdictions.
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Originally posted by Tim Cuprisin:
It's a Rusyn-majority eparchy and the word "Rusyn" is never uttered. That would be tip-toeing.
--tim An anonymous tipster alerted me to something interesting. The Ukrainian version of the interview doesn't speak of the "Ukrainian-Russian problem" but rather "проблема українці- русини." Perhaps RISU needs to get some better/less biased translators? Dave
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Originally posted by Chtec: Originally posted by Tim Cuprisin:
[b] It's a Rusyn-majority eparchy and the word "Rusyn" is never uttered. That would be tip-toeing.
--tim
Perhaps RISU needs to get some better/less biased translators?
Dave [/b]OK Dave - for those of us who are linguistically challenged - how about a translation of the terms you quote there ? Anhelyna
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That's interesting, and makes more sense than how it's worded in English.
And for Anhelyna, all Dave wrote in cyrillic was "The Ukrainian-Rusyn problem," rather than "Ukrainian-Russian" as it is in English.
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Oh, and if you want to sound it out, проблема українці-русини = "problema ukraintsy-rusyny."
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Dear Tim,
Well, it would really be:
"ukrayinska-rusynska problema."
Or
"Problema Vzayemovidnosyn pomizh ukrayintsyamy ta rusynamy."
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On the other hand, "problema ukraintsi-rusyni" could easily mean "the problem of the Ukrainians-Rusyns", implying that it is a case of one ethnicity for which there are two names. It's not clear what meaning Kyr Milan intended.
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Bless, Reverend Incognitus!
I too have difficulty understanding what my bishop is talking about at times . . .
But the way that phrase is put is grammatically incorrect.
The declension is wrong.
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