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Diak -

Although I know the country is moving in a more pro-life direction, I fear for the Republican party's future as more life "moderates" are raised to higher levels.

The recent Gonzales appointment as AG is particularly troublesome, given Bush's recent statements on building a "culture of life" and Gonzales' stance on life issues including torture and abortion (the two are not, of course, morally equivalent). IMHO, the Democrats were right to oppose him. I think it was primarily a pay-off for a long-time Bush loyalist...and I say that as a Bush supporter.

Many years -

Gordo

Dear DJS,

My, my, Coulter made a mistake. It can't be too often, or they wouldn't be making such a big fuss about it.

I guess we'll have to throw out all her fact filled books, :rolleyes: rather than giving her credit for having the courage to stand up to you guys.

Zenovia

She was called to task for having having warned Canada to toe the line or risk being crushed. In her explanation she launched an argument that she was unable to support. The issue was not the inherent significance of the seeming error, it was the significance to her: it was central to her own argument. Clearly it's better to base one's arguments on facts over which you have sure command, at least if one is interested in making a true and valid argument.

And as I mentioned this was an exemplary case - fun - owing to the deer-in-the-headlight expression of one who had spoken so mightily of crushing Canada. But the web is full of dissection of her fact-challenged work. Includign her scurrilous charge of treason. While her tone may be excting to those who like fighters, my own preference is for valid arguments made with sure facts. And it really doesn't take more than 5 seconds to see that she what she's up to. I frequently disagree respectfully with Buckley, Will, Friedman, etc. Coulter is not respectable.

Dear Gordo,

The Democrats opposed him as AG because they knew that the next step for him would have been the Supreme Court.

He is only the first of the pro-life candidates that the Democrats will oppose, remember they have to answer to their pro-choice constituents. They will 'spin' something in every candidate that is pro-life... as they have up to now.

I wonder just how many of Bush's pro-life candidates for the 'bench' the Dems have opposed so far.

Zenovia -

My understanding is that Gonzales is not pro-life, and at least one of the stories out of Texas seem to back this assertion. The questions around the torture "memos" are still, at best, unresolved and at most, damning. If all this is true, thank goodness he was not nominated for the Supreme Court.

As to Bush's other nominees, more power to them! I enjoy watching Democrats scramble to make cases against the Constitution they swore to protect and uphold.

Peace -

Gordo

Crush Canada? Does Alex know about this?

Dear DJS,

One's opinion of respectability or not, should be left up to each person's personal discernment. It is not each individual fact per ce that is important, but rather the experiences one has acquired throughout their life, and the connection of those different 'knowledges' in forming their individual reasoning.

Of course that reasoning can go anyway it wants, depending on their personality...and the discernment we have been gifted with, or not.

Zenovia

And what precisely do you think she is up to?

And have you read any of her works to discern this?

Her wit can be sardonic at times, no doubt, but I think it is part of her charm. And she is certainly fiesty, but I am one who is decidedly more impressed with logical arguments (laid out over the course of mutiple chapters with corraborating evidence and citations)than platitudes and passion.

Many Years -

Gordo

PS: And I will gladly do penance for insulting the many friendly Canadians (Alex included) who inhabit this forum! :p

Actually, I heard differently. The best way though to find out, is by finding some Christian News web site. They are usually accurate and honest.

Zenovia

DJS is saying that Ann Coulter is the conservative version of Ted Kennedy. That's an insult to Ann Coulter since nothing true comes out of Ted Kennedy's mouth.

Dear Gordo,

I receive E-mails every so often from the "Religious Freedom Coalition." They mention every legislation and who is voting for what, etc.

Their address is: RFCUpdates<mail@rfcnet.org>

They mention Gonzales as having passed, and by how many votes. They also said that legislation is being passed so that the judge appointee's can be brought to a vote.

The problem is that once that happens, the Dems will find ways to close down Washington. It will be a game of who will buckle first.

Zenovia

Thanks, Zenovia. I will definitely check it out.

No doubt the dem spin cycle will be in full force!

Peace -

Gordo

Here you go, after I said I would resist...

Condi for prez and Jeb for VP 2008

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. (And taste in writers, as I noted above.) And the truth and validity of that opinion is certainly independent its holder's ability to articulate it.

But Coulter is a pundit, who ISTM, should be held to some professional standards of accuracy, logic, and cogency. I hope that we could agree on this, and not stoop to outcome-based standards of argumentation. On the other hand, perhaps punditry has degenerated too far into mere thought-thuggery. A lie convincingly delivered, or a smear that successfully infects the body politic are more highly regarded than truth or validity. I see this as a serious threat to our country. Not that pundits do it, but that people accept it and even champion it.

Would that this were so; but, really, it simply cannot be reconciled with this:
What part of "false witness" don't you understand?
Why is lying amusing?

For some background on Gonzales:

http://www.orboston.org/News_current/Gonzales_on_AB.htm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41386
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/11/bush.cabinet/