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You know what, guys & gals, I'm really getting tired of the rash of threads lately touting the sins of the Latin Rite church.

So I'm taking a break from this forum for a while. If you really want to find me I just joined St. Raphael's Catholic singles site - or you can just e-mail me.

Now I will take my Rosary-praying, indulgence-getting, filioque-saying self outta here and say, see ya later!

Love,
Theist Gal :-)

My Latin Sister,

Relax......., your armor is too thin.

Pax Christi,

james

If that's true, then so be it. My armor needs a break, then.

I agree. I ask all participants to tone down the rhetoric. Please pray before composing your posts and make sure that they contribute to the building up of the Church.

How can you leave? You have the only hilarious avatar image on the site! I crack up whenever I see it...and some of us DO love East AND West; don't leave us alone in the struggle for balance!

AMEN Daniel!

Dear friends:

You must accept here that I'm a fervent defender of the Latin Tradition, the Tridentinists, and all of them, while being Eastern orthodox.

Mexican:

That's the reason why I am surprised why, by now, you have not become Catholic!

You have metamorphosed from Remie to Snoopy to Mexican--who should be a veritable ROMAN Catholic--but why not?


Theist Doll:

Having been here longer, I would like to assure you that these "litanies" of Latin SINS are just cyclical: they come and go.

And they are merely the result of normal sibling rivalries, internecine sometimes but entirely bloodless! Most of the time, we do laugh together.

One thing that may have escaped our Eastern brothers and sisters: out here in the West, WE hold the ascendancy no matter how you cut it. They need us more than we do. :p

Take your rest and come back soon!

AmdG

"One thing that may have escaped our Eastern brothers and sisters: out here in the West, WE hold the ascendancy no matter how you cut it. They need us more than we do."

And this triumphalist line of thought is the greatest sin of Latins against Eastern Catholics. If this is how most Latins truly feel, we might as well pack it in and become big "O" Orthodox or RC, we will never be accepted for who we are with our own Tradition, traditions, canon law, theology, etc. According to this line of thinking we are nothing more than Roman Catholics with a funny Mass. Hmmmm...seems like the more closed minded Orthodox often say the same thing. Don

Amado,
I too have been around for a while, and while what you say is mostly correct, it does come and go.

This time is far different. I can not recall it being this bad before.

And anyways, even if it is cyclical, that doesn't make it right.

We have lost many Latin Catholics from the forum in the past due to this. We should make an effort, after all, those of us who are Eastern Catholics are still Catholics.

But then Don does make a good poing too.

This is getting a bit tiring.


David, the Byzantine Catholic

Just popping back in to say - sigh - I would not have said or even thought anything like that. Yes, I can understand your frustration with attitudes like that.

But can you understand *my* frustration with threads about "The Sins of the Latin Church", disparaging comments about the devotion to the Sacred Heart, etc., not just once in a while but *constantly*?

It's like you feel on the defensive, so you're going on the offensive, like a pre-emptive strike. I can understand that, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. :rolleyes:

Dear DavidB:

I fully agree when you say that:

And it is worth reiterating your telling observation that:

Yes, WE are all Catholics!

The term "Orthodox in union with Rome" does present some terminological problems, I think.

AmdG

Slava Isusu Kristu,

Personally, I feel we benefit from each other. We need the Latin sence of order, while they need our spirituality.
The two do not have to be at odds.

Dmitri.

Dear Don:

Perhaps my statement comes as "triumphalist" to many, but I was, and I am, stating it as an undeniable reality.

In like manner as we, Latins, are guests in this Forum that we should act accordingly, Easterners should show some semblance of respect for our Latin traditions and practices here in the West.

If we are equal parts of the universal Church, there should be restraint on the part of the Easterners in disparaging Western devotions, and what not, in our own "house."

I have not read any vitriol consciously posted by any Latin here; we are a welcoming lot!

Quid pro quo should be in place.

AmdG

Dear Amado,

Glory to Jesus Christ!

Your post is well taken and no doubt sincere; but something you have to understand is that Eastern Catholics in the U.S. and even elsewhere have had Latin traditions and practices forced upon them by Roman Bishops. These Bishops were suspicious of Byzantine Rite Catholics, and wanted to assimilate them into the only kind of Catholicism they knew-- Roman. Perhaps the most tragic example of this is forbidding the ordination of married men to the Byzantine Rite priesthood in 1929-- this led directly to a mass exodus of Byzantine Catholics OUT of the Catholic Church and back into Eastern Orthodoxy-- all because their traditions were not understood or accepted. To this day, married men can be ordained Byzantine Rite priests anywhere EXCEPT the U.S. So stupid!

The Holy Father has instructed to the Eastern Catholic churches to rid themselves of the latinizations that have been forced upon them; for some reason, the Eastern Bishops are dragging their feet in doing so.

But my point, which I'll finally come to, is that Byzantine Catholics have a good reason for being a bit hostile to the Latins and to Latin traditions.