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Yes, lots of bull - as usual. :p

Well the only Bull that counts is Papal Bull
I did see a photo of Pope Paul with the Papal dairy herd. Naturally the 'ladies' were Swiss.

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NIKA

Thank you Alex! My, my these people, sanctity can be in front of their eyes, and they refuse to recognize it. Why a perfect proof is your Akithist to him. Could you have written it without the Holy Spirit. I say not!

First of all, some are saying that they are looking at legacy? How do they know what the legacy would have been without him. Only God knows! If we took into account the direction the Church was heading, it might have gone the way of the Episcopalians.

Then they say he was a terrible administrator. Well tell me, how could he have administrated in his condition, and especially when he was either in prayer or sitting outside in that hot sun in some place or other in the world?

As for the Muslims, by asking God to protect Islam through John the Baptist, (who's head is in a mosque), he was indirectly asking God to make them accept His Son Jesus as their Saviour. How else could God protect them? Certainly not as followers of Mohammed and his heresies?

That's my two cents worth!

Zenovia

"As for Saintly Popes who have been bad Popes, there was a Pope from the ( I wanna say 1300ish) whom was horrible at being Pope, he was a monastic whom was elected to the Papacy because of his great holiness and proved to be a horrible administrator and was so disastorous he choose to resign back to his monastary rather than ruin the Church further. He was latter cannonized , I forgot his name though.
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yes, Pope Celestine V, or St. Peter Celestine. They say he was poisoned by his successor.

As much as I respect your postings and opinions I have to disagree. Sts. Francis and Clare of Assisi, Anthony of Padua, and Thomas Beckett were all "fast tracked" to name a few!

You have a right to your opinion, but I stand by my comments.

The Church -- in our fast food, I want it now era -- seems to be falling into the same speed everything up view of life that is prevalent in modern pop culture. I've actually gone to Masses at Latin Churches where the pastor appeared pleased by the fact that he can say Mass in 45 minutes on a Sunday.

Honestly speaking, Pope John Paul II is not going anywhere, because he is now resting in peace, so there is no need to rush to judgment in his cause for canonization.

I'm just saying that "fast tracking" is not unprecedented. It's been around for centuries.

Whether or not his Canonization comes 2 years or 2 decades from now it won't stop those who already are praying to him.

Good Job Zenovia!

Dear Friends,

Yes, sometimes canonizations were by popular acclamation . . . on the day of the funeral of a saint!

"Canonization" is simply the public recognition of what God, not anyone else, has already done in Heaven.

And in the case of the RC canonization process, it is often a costly one that some say is in bad need of serious reform.

There is no reason why John Paul could not be beatified for public liturgical veneration.

In fact, on Mt Athos, every monk's body is exhumed after three years of being in the ground under a thin layer of earth.

The body is then examined for incorruptibility of relics etc.

If incorruptibility is evident, the body is laid out for others to pray before and ask for his intercession. When miracles occur, as they often do in such cases, then the reposed monk is glorified locally in his own monastery.

If that's not "fast-tracking," I don't know what is!

Alex

Since we're on the topic of the late Pope John Paul, here is a picture of the reaction of Pope Benedict on seeing the new biographical film about the life of the Polish Pope. The Pope saw the movie today.

[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060330/capt.ppc13303301647.vatican_pope_ppc133.jpg?[/img]

It's actually very touching.

Logos Teen

Of course, because people can pray privately to anyone they want to.

Personally, I'd much rather see Pius XII canonized.

Apotheoun,

Pope Pius XII is already a beatus, isn't he?

Even if he is not, I think that his process was slowed by those who wrongly accused him of not acting in the face of the Nazi regime. It seems his cause is gaining ground the more that people, both Jews and non-Jews learn about how much Pius XII helped the Jews and did all he could in the circumstances. In fact, lots of times it's Jewish authors who defend him!

Presently, is the only saint-pope of the 20th century Pope Saint Pius X?

Since John XXIII is a beatus, he doesn't qualify (yet, anyway). Benedict, the two Piuses (Pii?), Paul, John, and the two John Pauls - none of these are saints as far as I know. Am I forgetting a 20th century pope?

Logos Teen

This weekend I'll be taping all the many programs on blessed Pope John Paul II...

A nice film about PJPII & Jerzy Kluger on EWTN yesterday...it brought tears...again

james

No, I do not believe that he has been beatified.

Yes, St. Pius X is presently the only pope of the 20th century who has been canonized.

20th century popes:

Leo XIII (1878 - 1903)
St. Pius X (1903 - 1914)
Benedict XV (1914 - 1922)
Pius XI (1922 - 1939)
Pius XII (1939 - 1958)
Blessed John XXIII (1958 - 1963)
Paul VI (1963 - 1978)
John Paul I (1978)
John Paul II (1978 - 2005)