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Being of the Protestant persuasion(there's no helping some people) I couldn't help but look at what this website had to say about Billy Graham. I have read things like this before, but this site is particularly appalling and base. When I hear someone who is Protestant making uninformed, innacurate statements about "what Catholics/Orthodox believe/practice" I try to explain what I have learned and show how some of their perceptions are wrong. But I also want to point out that the VAST MAJORITY of Protestant Christians do not give this sort of thing the time of day. This is not the voice of Evangelical Christianity. This is nuts!
Just my 2 cents.
Michele

The Chick party have been going off like this since Adam was a lad. We know they come out with all this sort of rubbish. Pray for them!

ICXC
NIKA

Dear Michele,

Don't worry, we know that this whack-job does not represent the views of the vast majority of God-loving Protestant Christians, who no doubt find this as disgusting as Catholics and Orthodox do.

We need to pray for him, and the people who are gullible enough to fall for this rubbish.

God bless,

Karen

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/

At the bottom of this page, there is an interesting quote:

"153,000 die every day. Most go to hell."

Such presumption staggers the imagination!

Lord, have mercy on this individual. Make him a Catholic who loves the Pope, the Theotokos, the Holy Eucharist and our Orthodox brothers and sisters in the faith.

Blessed Mother, go get him!

:-) Gordo

I never said they were right. I only suggested what their probable response would be. Giving them the wiggle room to completely avoid the thrust of the argument.

"...the [fundamentalist] does not read a book. He looks through it feverishly for texts to be twisted in favour of a prejudice."
G. K. Chesterton (G. K. Weekly, Sept. 28, 1933)

Well said.

I think that most of the people at this website understand that this was the work of a troubled heart and a disturbed soul -- and that this is not an example of most Protestants (evangelical or otherwise).

I hope that most people at this website understand that the author of that other website needs our prayers and our compassion.

-- John

Thank you Michele.

Unfortunately, 'nuts' exist in every faith tradition. We know that you are far more indicative of Evangelical Christianity than the persons who run that silly website.

God bless!
In the Risen Christ,
Alice

Dear Alice,

I agree with you on everything. I have much to thank the Evanglicals for, especially Pat Robertson and the 700 club. I will be forever grateful for their prayers.

As for Jack Chick and company, they are fundamentalists and all fundamentalists are spiritually immature.

Zenovia

guess what sister? this EC went to an Independent Baptist seminary (I know, the rest of you know ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL about it, how many times :rolleyes: ). Chick and his ilk worship the King James Bible as if it were a god, thus alienating themselves from the vast majority of Evangelicals who beg to differ with them as far as translations are concerned. with this obsession about homosexuality that I noted while looking through Chick's breathtakingly idiotic pile of rubbish (I had another word in mind, but I don't feel like getting my post zapped), I have a dandy for him (and for you as well, dear reader). in the Tennessee Temple University bookstore, I found a book on the 1611 KJV written by fundamental Baptists.I thought it would be a reprint of the 1661, but it was a book ABOUT the KJV. in it it said that King James was (in my words) as Gay as a goose. he was reported to make the blasphemous remark that if Jesus could have His John, then he, King James could have his William.
Chick and his lieutenants travel about the country setting up their stands and tables at various Bible and related conferences. they have been, in the past at least, been at Tennesse Temple, and peddle their books and pamphlets. I admit that some of their stuff hitting Islam is delicious, (hey the enemy of my enemy), but a lot of their other stuff, is as we all kinow, is drivel. some years ago they printed the Alberto comics, which is a tale of a purported Latin Priest who "found the Lord" and left the Whore of Babylon. guess what, Alberto is as real as the Great Pumpkin, never existed.
Chick has some informal links with the old Tony Alamo group that also wants to bring Catholics and Orthodox out of satanic bondage and to their own particular form of faith, which we all know is the only way to get saved. how noble of them.
so, let it be remembered that Chick and his ilk no more speak for Evangelical Protestants than the Ku Klux Klan speaks for Southerners.
Much Love,
Jonn

John
Your post reminds me of a joke/saying that circulates amongst Evangelicals from time to time: "If the King James version of the Bible was good enough for John the Baptist, it's good enough for me!" ;-)
Michele

They cannot be THAT ignorant of history, are they?

no, it's a joke based in apocrypha.
Much Love,
Jonn

Some are. Though I believe that that depth of ignorance takes an act of will! In other words I think some of them actively choose to be that ignorant. Because to do otherwise would shake the very foundations of their beliefs and would cause them to have to do some serious reevaluating of their beliefs.

Dear Brethren in Christ,

Instead of simply mocking ignorant people. I challenge everyone to pick one of the things that are claimed to be evil by this website, and then explain its True significance and Holiness. I will start (by picking an easy one, and even cheating at that )

Here is an explanation of the Skull and Bones at the foot of the Hand Cross. It is from Monastery Icons.com Yes, I am a cheap cheater. Here is the explanation:

"At the foot of the Cross we find the skull and bones of Adam, the First Man. Tradition tells us that Golgotha was called the Place of the Skull not because the hill looked like a human skull, but because the bones of Adam had been brought and buried there by the descendants of Noah. When the Lord died, a great earthquake split apart the rocks, and the blood of the Lord flowed down from the Cross and on to the bones of Adam, indicating the remission of sins made possible to the whole human race. Pilgrims to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem can put their hands down into the very cavity where Adam�s bones were awaiting the redeeming blood of Christ."

That is assuming alot. I don't know that these people are simply ignorant people. There appears to be a healthy portion of ill will on their side - all in the name of Christ! ("blasphemy", indeed!)

I come from a family of Baptists, all with a largely negative opinion of Catholic theology and practice (for the most part), and yet not one demonstrates the type of ill will these folks do. People like this do not listen to reason or to arguments from theology. It takes a singular grace to convert them from their spiritual delusion and hardness of heart.

That is not to say that it is not possible. My sense, though, is that their attacks against the true faith make them a target for grace. If they have resisted thus far, it will take a miraculous intervention (like a Damascus Road experience) to change their minds and hearts.

Gordo

PS: Here is the Catholic Answers site on Chick Tracts - probably the best there is!

The Nightmare World of Jack Chick [catholic.com]