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Originally posted by incognitus:
Back in the late seventies the Russian chapel at Fatima used to publish an interesting occasional review called *Looking East*, edited by Fr John Mowatt, who was awarded the mitre by Patriarch Joseph of the Ukrainians. Fr John died a year or so ago, having been made an Archimandrite by Patriarch Maximos V. *Looking East* was quite worthwhile. At the present moment, the Russian chapel in Fatima is, to the best of my incomplete knowledge, the only stable and fully-furnished place of worship for Ukrainian Greek-Catholics in Portugal (of whom there are a great many thanks to the recent demographic shifts). Don't know what the Blue Army is up to these days. Incognitus Incognitus, My parish has four copies of the "Looking East" magazine. A worthwhile publication to read! I am very interested in tracking down more copies, hopefully the whole collection. Unfortunately, I did not contact Fr. Mowatt before he fell asleep in the Lord so I am unable to find out how I can track down the whole series of "Looking East". Do you have any leads? Thank you. Griego catolico
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Oh Brian, Im converting to HOLY Orthodoxy like I said, ive "phased" out all my latin devotions except for the Brown Scapular but as soon as this one is worn out, my Spirituality is Completly orthodox.
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
It was precisely the Blue Army's Russian Byzantine Catholics who initially attracted me to a deeper appreciation of the Eastern traditions of my Church, especially Fr. Karl Patzelt, SJ (+ memory eternal!).
The Blue Army respects deeply the Eastern Church and I do NOT believe that its perspective is one of trying to convert Russia to Catholicism (although there are other Fatima groups who are after that goal).
For those who are members of the Blue Army here, do you concur?
Do you feel that one may be fully "Eastern Catholic" within the Blue Army and its program?
Alex Yes, I agree with your statement. I have never seen any official statement from the Blue Army that would imply that its purpose was to convert Russia to Catholicism. In 1946, Sister Lucia was asked by a Russian girl how the conversion of Russia would take place. Sister Lucia replied that the conversion of Russia would happen "through the Orthodox Church and the Oriental rite". By "Oriental rite", I infer that she means the Byzantine Catholic Church. How amazing that she would make this statement in the very year that the Soviet government used the Russian Orthodox Church to "abolish" the Ukrainian Catholic Church! Would anyone have believed her at that time? Yet, we are seeing that that prediction came true. Russia- in its broadest sense- is being converted through the Russian Orthodox Church and the Ukrainian Catholic Church. Although they are not out to convert Russia to Catholicism, the Blue Army does promote unity between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches, as that is most evident in its headquarters having Byzantine and Latin Chapels.
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Dear Daniel,
You can keep your rosary and scapular even when you are an Orthodox Christian!
The rosary devotion is one that was dear to St Seraphim of Sarov, St Seraphim Zvezdinsky, St Seraphim Vyritsky, St Seraphim Zagorovsky - be an angel and keep it then!
And your scapular - there is an Orthodox icon of Our Lady of the Scapular in the monastery of Horodyshenske.
The scapular is simply a symbol representing the Mantle of Protection of Our Lady.
Unless you think the Mantle of Protection is a Latinization . . .
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I always remember a priest-friend of mine, who is Ukrainian Greek Catholic (former Rector of the Ukrainian Major Seminary), who always said he was VERY uncomfortable with anything that used 'BLUE' in connection with the ancient Church (either Catholic or Orthodox). I asked why...and he would just say, "Because it's 'funny' (weird) Father." I asked for some examples and Father said, "Like nuns with blue habits or Blue Armies, or blue scapulars...etc." I would laugh, but he was always quite serious about this...and I regard him as a VERY saintly priest. I guess we'll have to leave it up to someone here to suggest WHY or IF there's anything to this being sceptical about 'BLUE' stuff. Gosh, I just remembered I was ordained in BLUE...wonder what that means?!  In His love, +Father Archimandrite Gregory
+Father Archimandrite Gregory, who asks for your holy prayers!
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Bless me a sinner, Father Archimandrite! That Ukrainian priest may just be a bit biased - blue was the colour of God's people and it still is. The Jews of old wore their blue scapulars or at least had them outlined in blue, as did our Lord. But the scapular is brown and one can have black beads etc.  That priest made a faux pas - much like the Melkites and their "Battle of Poltava" thing. Oh darn! I wasn't suppose to mention that again . . .! Father Archimandrite, at least you understand me here  I've been having to be lectured at about Eastern Church and Slavic issues by Irishmen these days! Kissing your right hand, I again implore your blessing! Alex
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Mind your tongue, lad. You don't want to provoke the emeging Celtic Brotherhood on this forum, now do you?
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