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Excerpt from the Zenit Weekly News Analysis: What Leaders in Other Faiths Say
"An Extraordinary 'Lived Sermon' for Eastertide"
ROME, APRIL 9, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Accolades for John Paul II came from many non-Catholics, as this sampling shows.
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Gregorius III Lahham, Greek Melkite patriarch of Damascus
"The Pontiff was a "new John the Baptist" because like the original one he was "a voice who cried in the desert to prepare the ways of the Lord; he wiped hypocrisy and sin before our Risen Lord." Amazing, we got away with letting them think we were Catholics since 1724!!!! :rolleyes: Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Funny....but also a bit depressing I think....fancy not knowing one of the leading hierarchs of the Catholic Church?
Neil, am I right to say that your Patriarch is theoretically the 3rd or so senior figure in the Catholic Church - Pope as numero uno, then Patriarch Stephanos then Patriarch Gregorius?
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Originally posted by Irish Melkite: Excerpt from the Zenit Weekly News Analysis:
[b]What Leaders in Other Faiths Say
"An Extraordinary 'Lived Sermon' for Eastertide"
ROME, APRIL 9, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Accolades for John Paul II came from many non-Catholics, as this sampling shows.
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Gregorius III Lahham, Greek Melkite patriarch of Damascus
"The Pontiff was a "new John the Baptist" because like the original one he was "a voice who cried in the desert to prepare the ways of the Lord; he wiped hypocrisy and sin before our Risen Lord."
Many years,
Neil [/b]Neil, In addition to his being Patriarch of Antioch, Alexandria, Jerusalem, and all the East, did you not know His Beatitude is the Orthodox Patriarch of Damascus? 
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Shlomo AntonI,
Here is the order of Patriarchs by time of election, and then by Canonial order.
His Beatitude MAR NASRALLAH BOUTROS CARDINAL SFEIR; Maronite Patriarch of Antioch and all the East
19 April 1986 elected Maronite Patriarch for Antioch and all the East.
His Beatitude STEPHANOS II GHATTAS, C.M.
Coptic-Catholic Patriarch of Alexandria
9 June 1986 elected Patriarch of Alexandria.
His Beatitude NERSES BEDROS XIX; Patriarch of the Catholic Armenians
October 1999 elected Patriarch Catholicos of Cilicia for the Catholic Armenians
His Beatitude GREGORIUS III LAHHAM; Greek Melkite Patriarch of Antioch and all the East and Alexandria and Jerusalem.
29 November 2000 Elected Melkite Patriarch of Antioch and all the East, of Alexandria and of of Jerusalem.
His Beatitude MAR IGNATIUS PETRUS ABDULAHAD; Syriac Catholic Patriarch of Antioch
25 February 2001 Elected Patriarch of for the Syriac Catholics.
His Beatitude EMMANUEL III KARIM DELLY; Chaldean Patriarch of Babylon
3 December 2003 Elected Patriach of Babylon and the Chaldean Church of the East.
Here is the Canonical Order:
His Beatitude MAR NASRALLAH BOUTROS CARDINAL SFEIR; Maronite
His Beatitude GREGORIUS III LAHHAM; Melkite
His Beatitude MAR IGNATIUS PETRUS ABDULAHAD; Syriac
His Beatitude STEPHANOS II GHATTAS, C.M.; Coptic
His Beatitude NERSES BEDROS XIX; Armenian
His Beatitude EMMANUEL III KARIM DELLY; Chaldean
So as you can see the Melkite Patriarch would be forth by electoral date which is used now in seating presendence and 2nd in the Canonical order by the Ecumenical Councils.
Poosh BaShlomo,
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Didnt Zenit make a correction to that bulletin the following day? I dont think I have the exact bulletin but I do get Zenit on a daily basis and I remember reading that report and the correction also.
"We love, because he first loved us"--1 John 4:19
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Originally posted by AntonI:
am I right to say that your Patriarch is theoretically the 3rd or so senior figure in the Catholic Church - Pope as numero uno, then Patriarch Stephanos then Patriarch Gregorius? Originally posted by Yuhannon:
Here is the Canonical Order:
His Beatitude MAR NASRALLAH BOUTROS CARDINAL SFEIR; Maronite
His Beatitude GREGORIUS III LAHHAM; Melkite
His Beatitude MAR IGNATIUS PETRUS ABDULAHAD; Syriac
His Beatitude STEPHANOS II GHATTAS, C.M.; Coptic
His Beatitude NERSES BEDROS XIX; Armenian
His Beatitude EMMANUEL III KARIM DELLY; Chaldean
So as you can see the Melkite Patriarch would be forth by electoral date which is used now in seating presendence and 2nd in the Canonical order by the Ecumenical Councils. Yuhannon, Anton is correct. Precedence is established first by the See and only when there are conflicting titles by the date of election thereto. Canon 59
1. Patriarchs of Eastern Churches, even if some are of later times, are all equal by reason of patriarchal dignity with due regard for the precedence of honor among them.
2. The order of precedence among the ancient patriarchal sees of the Eastern Churches is that in the first place comes the see of Constantinople, after that Alexandria, then Antioch and Jerusalem.
3. Among the other patriarchs of the Eastern Churches, precedence is ordered according to the antiquity of the patriarchal see.
4. Among the patriarchs of the Eastern Churches who each are of the same title but who preside over different patriarchal Churches, he has precedence who was first promoted to the patriarchal dignity.
Canon 60
2. A patriarch who currently holds patriarchal power precedes those who retain the title of a patriarchal see which they once held. Thus, the order of precedence is: - His Holiness Stephanos II (Andraos) Cardinal Ghattas, CM, Patriarch of Alexandria of the Catholic Copts (precedence as Patriarch of Alexandria}
- His Beatitude Gregorios III (Loutfi) Laham, BSO, Patriarch of Antioch and All The East, of Alexandria, and of Jerusalem, of the Greek-Melkite Catholics (precedence among the Patriarchs of Antioch as title to Alexandria is joined to that of Antioch)
- His Beatitude Mar Nasrallah Boutros Cardinal Sfier, Patriarch of Antioch and All The East for the Maronites (precedence established by his date of election to the title of Antioch being earlier than that of his Syriac brother)
- His Beatitude Mar Ignatios Pierre VIII (Gregoire) Abdel-Ahad, Patriarch of Antioch and All The East of the Syrian Catholics (precedence established by his date of election to the title of Antioch being more recent than that of his Maronite brother)
- His Beatitude Nerses Bedros XIX Tarmouni, Catholicos & Patriarch of Cilicia of the Armenias for All the Catholic Armenians (precedence by date of establishment of the Patriarchate - 1742)
- His Holiness Emmanuel III (Karim) Delli, Catholicos and Patriarch of Babylon and Ur of the Chaldees for the Catholic Chaldeans (precedence by date of re-establishment of the Patriarchate - 1830, after failure of the earlier establishment - 1553)
- His Beatitude Ignatios Moussa I (Basile) Cardinal Daoud, Emeritus Patriarch of Antioch and All The East of the Syrian Catholics (precedence established by his status as Emeritus of his See)
It is the precedence first of Alexandria and second of Antioch (with Alexandia joined) that dictated the roles of Stephanos in incensing the Pope's coffin and Gregorios in leading the prayers of the Eastern hierarchs. Many years, Neil
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Originally posted by Myles:
Didnt Zenit make a correction to that bulletin the following day? I dont think I have the exact bulletin but I do get Zenit on a daily basis and I remember reading that report and the correction also. Myles, They may have. I also get it daily, but stopped reading after that because I was in such gales of laughter. To fully appreciate it, you have to understand that Rome has forever a jaundiced eye, looking usually somewhat askance, at we Melkites - viewing us as always "just on the edge". Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Originally posted by Irish Melkite:
[QUOTE]To fully appreciate it, you have to understand that Rome has forever a jaundiced eye, looking usually somewhat askance, at we Melkites - viewing us as always "just on the edge".
Neil, "Just on the edge" of full communion, something some churches can't put a finger on ...
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