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Can any of my Ukrainian brethren (or anyone else, for that matter) tell me the abbreviation that the Studites append to their name to designate their order?
Many years,
Neil
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Maybe it's "STUD."? Sorry, sorry. Dave, not a Ukrainian
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MSU - Ukrainian abbreviation for Monk of the Studite Order
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Pavloosh, Thanks very much. Dave, Thank you too :rolleyes: - back to iconography now for you Many years, Neil
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You are welcome Neil! By the way, I enjoy reading your posts. Pavloosh
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Originally posted by Pavloosh: MSU - Ukrainian abbreviation for Monk of the Studite Order мсу - монах студійського уставу msu - monakh studiis'koho ustavu trans: monk of the studite ustav/typicon OTOH, I've just checked four books in my collection which were written by 'studites'. All give their 'rank' (hieromonk or schemamonk) but only one has something after his name, and that is "студ. мон.", which I assume is short for студійський монах, or 'studite monk'. It appears that they don't usually put anything after their names. Probably following the Eastern tradition that a monk is a monk is a monk. The idea of 'Orders' and such is more of a Western concept. Let us pray for the continued growth and development of monasteries following in the steps of St Theodore of the Studion. Σώσον, Κύριε, καί διαφύλαξον η�άς από τών Βασιλιάνικων τάξεων!
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Originally posted by KO63AP: only one has something after his name, and that is "студ. мон.", Wow, I wasn't that far off! Yes, Neil, back to iconography for me. I'm working on a relic box right now... Dave
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Kobzar, Thanks for the info, but don't encourage his irreverance. Now, he'll be even more insufferable . Originally posted by Chtec: Maybe it's "STUD."? Originally posted by Chtec: Wow, I wasn't that far off! Dave, Actually, I saw "Stud." written once, somewhere that now escapes me, and couldn't imagine that it was correct - that was part of what prompted my question . Many years, Neil
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Even the Vatican employs the style "MSU", but it really isn't correct. The more excellent way is simply "Monk John, XYZ monastery".
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Dear Friends,
The Monks of the Studite Typikon that I grew up with here put the Slavonic letter, "YC" after their names that stands for "Ustav Studiysky."
They preface their names with their monastic title, "Hieromonk" "Hierodeacon" etc. and then the above two letters.
The Ukrainian Studites have really been in the forefront in promoting Eastern Christian consciousness among the UGCCers!
I have received a Ukrainian translation of Hohol's (Gogol's) work on the Divine Liturgy illustrated with pictures of a UGCC Divine Liturgy! Magnificent!
They have books on the Jesus Prayer and the Philokalia in Ukrainian, beautiful modern translation of a liturgical psalter (bohosluzhebney psalter) and much else!
Their icon of the Mother of God of Univ is miraculous.
Now that we're on the topic, what is the proper way for an Orthodox/EC priest to style himself?
Our reposed Fr. Yuri Fedoriv would write, "Dr. Yuri Fedoriv, Priest."
Alex
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic: Now that we're on the topic, what is the proper way for an Orthodox/EC priest to style himself?
Alex Dear Alex, The traditional way of a priest to sign himself would be something like the following examples. Traditionally a priest would never call himself Father, just like a bishop would never call himself Vladyka or Despota, since these are honorifics. Here are some examples of how clergy would sign and address themselves, even if we would call them all Father Firstname. Stavrophore* Monk Joseph Schemamonk Alexei Deacon Nikolai Hierodeacon Euphrosynos Protodeacon Nikifor Archdeacon Seraphim Priest Christopher Hieromonk Sergei Protopriest Dionysi Igumen Andrei Protopresbyter Vladimir Archimandrite Ephraem Of course the only times we would use these terms for these clergy would be in addressing a formal letter. For Deacons and Priests a letter would be addressed to "The Reverend Father, Priest Firstname" for Protopriests and higher (plus proto- and archdeacons) the would be addressed as "The Very Reverend Father, Title Firstname". Father can actually be eliminated in those 2 examples, but is sometimes included. *In some traditions, rank of a monk would not be listed. I hope that helps answer your question!
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Dear Deacon Nikolai,
It is ALWAYS a pleasure and a privilege to converse with you here, Friend!
How have you been?
Congratulations, once again, on your ordination to Christ's Diaconate!
Thank you for your informative post which is most comprehensive!
Holy Royal Martyrs of Russia, Sts Nicholas, Alexandra, Alexius, Tatiana, Maria, Olga and Anastasia, pray unto God for us!
Alex
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Originally posted by Chtec: Maybe it's "STUD."?
Sorry, sorry.
Dave, not a Ukrainian Studs in Black?
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Dear Friends, I guess there are all kinds of problems involving translation once Slavonic and the Slavic languages are abandoned in our Churches! And who was it that mentioned assimilation? "Ruthenian Catholic" "Byzantine Catholic" "Buzzin' Teen Catholic" "Orthodox in communion with Rome" and then, "all you Orthodox Christians!" Alex (Is Outrage)
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Greetings to all.
Alex, great points on assimilation. Since everyone here is proficient with computers and the internet, would there not be a place for:
Byzageeks ?
Michael
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