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Father Deacon Lance,

Here! Here! I've become so sickened by Moe's ignorant diatribes that I've been asking the Administrator and moderators to do something about him. I haven't received a reply but Moe has so often gone over the edge that I simply don't understand the inaction. Maybe you can do something.

Dan L

I came across an interesting article in the NY Times by Thomas Cahill that I agree with 100%. Mr. Cahill believes that "Sadly, John Paul II represented a different tradition, one of aggressive papalism. Whereas John XXIII endeavored simply to show the validity of church teaching rather than to issue condemnations, John Paul II was an enthusiastic condemner. Yes, he will surely be remembered as one of the few great political figures of our age, a man of physical and moral courage more responsible than any other for bringing down the oppressive, antihuman Communism of Eastern Europe. But he was not a great religious figure. How could he be? He may, in time to come, be credited with destroying his church. "

http://nytimes.com/2005/04/05/opinion/cahill.html

Administrator go ahead and expel me from the forum, I really don't care. You have always shown extreme favoritism in favor of those who follow the your narrow minded positions on this forum...but you will not prevail in the Church, once again freedom will be a part of our religion and will not be silenced as JPII has tried to do. And freedom loving Catholics like myself will not be silenced either, no matter how hard you and yours of your ilk try.

Moe,

Freedom has never been part of the Church. Obedience and humility have always been part of the Church.

Gaudior, who begs to correct you, and is appalled that you should choose this moment to vent your anger against John Paul II

Moe,

I consistently defend very liberal standpoints on this forum, but your post is ignorant, rude, ill-timed, and undeserving of the bandwidth that it uses. If John doesn't choose to take action against you, I will be disappointed in him.

Neil

I am really suprised to be writing this, but I think that JThur may be the voice of reason in this thread. I don't usually agree with him, but I think his points were very well said. Thanks, JThur.

I agree, in all respects.

moe,

outside of being in poor taste and insensitive to the feelings of many on this board, your post will not give you the boot.

Although Mr Cahill shares your apparent disdain for John Paul II, he does not share your admiration for John XXIII. In fact, Mr Cahill calls Blessed Pope John XXIII, a "moral pygmy."

Thomas Cahill [randomhouse.com]

Look at the section marked Popes.

If you're "tired" with coverage, then don't read the paper and turn off the radio and TV.

I cannot remain silent.

Caliing one guilty of "aggressive papalism?", I call that leadership.

Pope John Paul II was an intelectual giant with a heart of equal size.

Pray for us, O holy Mother of God!

Paul

moe,

If you don't like the discussion on this forum, the Admin does not have to expel you. And if you don't care, no need to dare the Admin, just leave voluntarily.

If you ranted, you ranted alone. Certainly not with me.

Before this begins to spiral downward any further, I am taking the liberty of closing this thread.

If moe would like to discuss the merits (or as he stated, the lack thereof) of the pontificate of +John Paul II, I would ask he respect the tradtion of not speaking ill of the dead. If, at the end of the mourning period, moe wishes to resume the discussion, I would certainly expect and invite him to do so.