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Originally posted by Deacon Lance:
I think our bishops should demand an audit of their records along with the demand that all the offerings of Byzantine Catholics without a canonical transfer attending Latin Churches be sent to our Eparchies.
Fr. Deacon Lance Father Deacon, With all due respect as an outsider, the chances of that happening are worse than the chances of Willard Scott making the statement, "Today in Hades, they are experiencing a snowstorm".  In IC XC, Father Anthony+
Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic: Andrew (and I'm not just saying this so he won't be angry with me - I'm still fondling the stitches in my neck after he bit my head off the other day  ) is correct to say that RC's do indeed view their members going over to the EC Churches as "poaching."Alex, sorry about that. My comment actually wasn't actually directed at you personally. I know you were joking, but I've heard people say things like that who were serious. That is what I was addressing. Andrew
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Dear Andrew, It's O.K.! The bite marks on my neck are hardly noticeable and should be completely healed by Pascha next week!  Cheers, Alex
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Dear Father Deacon Lance, My, but you ARE feisty! I like that! If you ever get itchy feet and want to transfer to another Church, the UGCC can really use you!! Alex
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Originally posted by Deacon Lance:
"I understand that such things happened in the past. In all seriousness though, if Byzantine Missions are opened in predominantly Latin Catholic areas (St. Louis for instance) and the people who join the missions are former or current Latin Catholics, I can't see how that isn't sheep stealing going by your standard."
In the past? It happens now and continues to happen. But that aside, if people are disillusioned with the Latin Church and not going to Mass and we can reach them and get them going again I don't see that as sheep stealing but finding the lost sheep.
Fr. Deacon Lance you couldn't have put it any more eloquently! we live in America, thus we have the freedom how to worship. if there are Latins who need to come over to us, then tear down any barriers. if there is a problem with Catholics not going to mass, then it's a problem. they need the Sacraments. we have them, and if we can get lapsed Latins to at least see what we have to offer, and it appeals to them, and they come to Liturgy, then we have reclamed a soul for Christ, and for Eternity.that's what is important, not who stole who from who. Much Love, Jonn
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Dearest John,
But that is not how things are with the Latin Church!
It gets its "nosina" out of joint when this happens and doesn't understand why Latin Catholics want to "rejoin the Catholic Church."
Fr Deacon Lance's suggestion about a BC audit in the Latin Church is excellent!
He's actually way too advanced to remain a Deacon, you know . . .
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My hope is actually that Catholics would support Orthodox mission efforts, especially in traditional Orthodox countries or mission territories such as parts of Africa and all of Indonesia, and the other way around - Orthodox supporting Catholic mission efforts where they exist. I must say that Orthodox missions in western Europen nations do not upset me in the least. Arguing that these nations are Catholic, while historically true, is not true at present - I would cite France for instance - described by one Latin priest I know as a "Formerly Catholic country." As for Orthodox missions in 'staunchly' Catholic nations, particularly in Latin America - just how staunchly Catholic are these people when Protestantism is the largest growing faith in that region, and in some nations (Guatemala for instance) is fast approaching the point of becoming the majority faith if present trends continue. I applaud both Orthodox and Catholic missionaries of the true faith - as St. Paul has said (I Cor. 3:3-7): "While there is one that says, 'I belong to Paul' and another that says, 'I belong to Apollos' are you not being only too human? For what is Apollos and what is Paul? The servants through whom you came to believe, and each has only what the Lord has given him. I did the planting, Apollos did the watering, but God gave growth. In this, neither the planter nor the waterer counts for anything; only God, who gives growth. -Isaac P.S. Please accept my opinions/observations with the humility they are intended (I often come across as harsh - for which I apologize in advance).
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Issac, Christ is Risen!
I see no problem with you offering your opinion or percieve any harshness in your post. Welcome to the Forum.
In the Risen Christ,
Father Anthony+
Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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Originally posted by Isaac:
[QUOTE]I applaud both Orthodox and Catholic missionaries of the true faith - as St. Paul has said (I Cor. 3:3-7) AMEN, Isaac! Did not Pope John Paul call Catholics to support Orthodox charitable and mission efforts? The more we start to see ourselves as one ecclesial reality, the better our witness will be to the world. God bless, Gordo
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We from Down Under know of Willard who presents your weather so interestingly. I see the program is shown here still at some ungodly hour 0430hrs  . ICXC NIKA
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