www.byzcath.org Forums Minutes - Evangelization Meeting/Chat for 6/30

[21:39] FrLoya has entered the room.
[21:39] johngibson: Everyone hide... its that loya fella
[21:39] FrAnthony: Hello Fr Thomas
[21:39] PaniRose: Hey Fr. Loya
[21:39] johngibson: Hi father!
[21:39] akemner: greeting, father
[21:40] PaniRose: Fr. Anthony how long have you been working in your evangelization dept. now.
[21:40] PaniRose: Hey Jason
[21:40] JasonGA: Hi ROse
[21:41] FrLoya: Glory to Jesus Christ!
[21:41] johngibson: ::::checking my notes::::
[21:41] FrAnthony: I work for the dept of family life, but have to work with the evenagelization dept. I had to work in the mission field before there was a dept.
[21:41] johngibson: Glory to him forever!
[21:41] akemner: Glory forever!
[21:44] baptist has entered the room.
[21:45] StephenP has entered the room.
[21:45] JasonGA: hi baptist
[21:45] FrLoya: Should we begin our discussion?
[21:45] akemner: Glory to Jesus Christ
[21:45] akemner: yes, please
[21:46] johngibson: Shouldn't we wait fro dan?
[21:46] FrLoya: I think we still need a few people like Carson Lauffer?
[21:46] akemner: i thought he was going to be here
[21:46] karl has entered the room.
[21:46] johngibson: Hi Karl!
[21:46] karl: Hello
[21:47] karl: Or, rather, Glory to Jesus Christ!
[21:47] akemner: glory forever!
[21:51] byzantn has entered the room.
[21:52] johngibson: Hi Byzantn!
[21:52] FrLoya has signed off.
[21:52] byzantn: hi
[21:52] karl: Hello.
[21:53] FrLoya has entered the room.
[21:54] byzantn: I am just here to mostly listen. I have missed the chats until now
[21:55] Chtec has entered the room.
[21:57] karl: I mentioned to Fr. Loya the other day that, given the short schedule and the number of good people coming,
[21:57] karl: that we should try to arrange some afterhours festivities.
[21:57] johngibson: I agree
[21:58] FrLoya: Let's begin with a prayer. Can we all pause and say Heavenly King Comforter..?
[21:58] karl: Yes.
[22:00] FrLoya: Carson suggeste a format for the meeting. It was a Nominal something. Does everyone know about this?
[22:00] akemner: yes
[22:00] karl: Can someone give a summary?
[22:00] akemner: but i have not a clue what it is
[22:01] baptist: does anyone?
[22:01] akemner: DAn knows
[22:01] johngibson: It is a way of brainstorming which gives everyone a chance to participate
[22:01] johngibson: but at the same time, it keeps the pace going so that it doesn't get bogged down.
[22:02] johngibson: Dan can explain it a bit better...
[22:02] FrLoya: Dan gave me some of the description. I do not have it with me right now but the essence is that everyone participates but in a highly controlled and efficient way.
[22:02] johngibson: Exactly... Then once the brainstorming is finished the group breaks up into
[22:02] johngibson: smaller groups to work on differnet areas.
[22:02] akemner: wow
[22:03] akemner: that is a good apprach
[22:03] karl: I think that is wise. Anything to keep it from becoming complainarama
[22:03] akemner: division of labour
[22:03] FrLoya: Dan envisioned that I would present a basic approach to visioning and then the input process would begin.
[22:03] johngibson: I believe also that Dan had Bishop John giving some opening remarks alos
[22:04] johngibson: ack... also
[22:04] FrLoya: Dan said that mine would be the only "presentation" of sorts. The rest would be the controlled input process.
[22:05] akemner: the input folks have, they more willing they will be to implemnt
[22:05] baptist: Do the individual groups give reports to the entire group at the end?
[22:06] FrLoya: The moderator will set the rules at the beginning: No arguing, rebutting, etc. input only of a prophetic, visionary nature.
[22:06] FrAnthony: Accordingly with the method there should be a reporting out process.
[22:06] PaniRose: if it is possible to get a general agenda for the meeting before hand then it would be possible to present it to the clergy to encourage their participation or being willing to send 'delegates' to it for their perspective churches.
[22:07] byzantn: I am interested in feedback from the meeting to those of us who can't attend. I hope there is a process for that
[22:07] karl: Rose, I'm not sure we have more of an agenda than "evangelization and mission"
[22:08] johngibson: Pani, since there is really no set agenda in brainstorming there is really nothing to hand out.
[22:08] karl: Byzantn, I was just thinking of that. If we arehaving reporting, it would be a simple matter to put together a summary at the end
[22:08] karl: and then send it to everyone who shows up or who wants a copy
[22:08] karl: I type fast--I could keep minutes.
[22:08] byzantn: good. I'm a school teacher and that's the 1st week of school. No way could I be off
[22:08] FrLoya: There will be a courtroom reporter and the day will be videotaped
[22:08] johngibson: Karl, I would make it available for download
[22:09] karl: Then I don't need to type. Excellent.
[22:09] baptist: The entire day will be video taped except for most of the small group sessions
[22:10] karl: Perhaps the Parma website could host the pictures and accounts of the meeting
[22:11] johngibson: I have asked Eric Schindler to help me with the coding of the parma site...
[22:11] akemner: i imagine the meeting will be covered in Horizons
[22:11] johngibson: Hopefully we will have the new site in place for the meeting.
[22:12] johngibson: Father Loya, do we have an idea on the number of people attending so far?
[22:12] StephenP: having an idea of the numbers might help in selecting the format.
[22:13] FrLoya: No idea so far. I will have to check with the Chancery since registration is directed there
[22:13] karl: Is it official that we must register? That wasn't clear from the flyer
[22:13] akemner: what flyer?
[22:13] FrLoya: We discovered a PR flaw--people assume form the announcement that this is ONLY for the Whiting parish itself.
[22:14] FrLoya: Bishop John usually uses the "registration encouraged but not mandatory" technique.
[22:15] karl: John S. posted it in the Byzantine Evangelization forum a while back. It was in our parish bulletin this week
[22:15] Athanasios has entered the room.
[22:15] karl: Dan!
[22:15] Athanasios: Here I am, thanks
[22:15] FrLoya: akemner: I am reffering to what Bishop John faxed to every parish. If it has not been seen at a parish then call the Chancery.
[22:15] Athanasios: The Twofathers as distinct from the Forefathers are here
[22:16] Athanasios: Call your priest
[22:16] akemner: i will ask him
[22:16] FrLoya: Dan--please provide us with a synopsis of your Nominal...system that you suggest for our meeting.
[22:16] Athanasios: 20 min. Father lays forth vision
[22:17] Athanasios: 15 minutes people write as many 6 word ideas as they can
[22:17] Athanasios: 30-40 minutes leader puts all the ideas on the board receiving one idea at a time
[22:17] Athanasios: 30 minutes ideas are categorized
[22:18] Athanasios: 20 minutes prioritized
[22:18] ByzKat has entered the room.
[22:18] Athanasios: Get into groups and get action plans
[22:18] akemner: why 6 word ideas?
[22:18] Athanasios: 15-20 minutes report back to group and receive assignments
[22:18] Athanasios: To force people to be specific and precise
[22:19] akemner: k
[22:19] Athanasios: Don't worry it works
[22:19] akemner: i know
[22:19] akemner: we did this at my last job
[22:19] johngibson: <---- not worried
[22:19] Athanasios: The last thing we won't is diarea of the mouth and
[22:19] Athanasios: Fr. Athony is trained in this method
[22:19] Athanasios: More so than I
[22:20] johngibson: This is good because people want to see action.. they have heard too much talk
[22:20] Athanasios: Amen
[22:20] karl: Just so long as we get a brief apologia for the method at the beginning
[22:20] FrAnthony: There will be plenty of action and thought provocation.
[22:20] StephenP: A question: Since our priest is out of town for the next month I haven't heard anything about this outside of the foprum, unless the FAX was only to Parma parishes?
[22:20] akemner: hopefully no fishicuffs
[22:20] karl: I don't think so, Dan
[22:20] FrLoya: I do not think Pat will be on tonight.
[22:20] karl: I don't think so, Dan
[22:21] FrLoya: Faxes are only to Parma parishes. Since you don't use you real names I have no way of knowing if you are from Parma parishes.
[22:22] baptist: This is Mark
[22:22] Athanasios: My name is Carson Daniel Lauffer from Annunciation
[22:22] StephenP: just wondering, being from Van Nuys

[22:22] Athanasios:
[22:22] karl: Karl Schudt from Annunciation
[22:22] johngibson: John Gibson from Annunciation
[22:22] akemner: I am Adam Kemenr from St Luke in KCMO
[22:22] byzantn: I am Charles Walden from Knoxville, TN
[22:22] akemner: Kemner
[22:22] StephenP: Steve Petach from Van Nuys, CA
[22:22] ByzKat: Jeff Mierzejewski from Endicott, NY
[22:23] PaniRose: Rose Cholewinski St. Georges Birmingham AL
[22:24] FrLoya: Thank you. I am going to contact Bishop John and Fr. Kachuba tomorrow and urge them to phone calls to the priests about publicity.
[22:26] karl: I am concerned with what happens after the meeting
[22:27] karl: I think that we need to try to make sure personal connections are made
[22:27] Athanasios: I think we big mouths must be ready to take assignments
[22:27] akemner: you mean all talk and no walk after wards?
[22:27] FrLoya: Karl: What will be helpful is if we come away from the meeting with some action plans or something close to that
[22:27] karl: The structure of the meeting is good, but not so conducive to making friends
[22:27] Athanasios: Not enough time
[22:28] johngibson: agreed, I also believe that action needs to be seen.
[22:28] karl: Action is good. I agree fully.
[22:28] johngibson: How bout afterwards...
[22:28] Athanasios: We can guess that something is going to happen in Illinois
[22:28] Athanasios: And Whiting
[22:28] FrLoya: Remember, this meeting is about the beginnings of a "movement" in the Church.
[22:28] Athanasios: We must be ready to work as mission teams to get the work done
[22:29] johngibson: Dan, agreed...
[22:29] akemner: Chicagoland will have a big team
[22:29] karl: Could we plan either to linger at Whiting after Vespers, or perhaps bring a caravan back to Homer Glen?
[22:29] Athanasios: If we bring a bunch back to the Annunciation after the meeting we might have a meal together
[22:29] akemner: that may be good
[22:30] johngibson: Like I said, I have a nine passaanger van...
[22:30] Athanasios: Looks like an idea is formulating
[22:30] johngibson: I am willing to bring back 7 others (I have convineced my wife to attend the meeting)
[22:30] Athanasios: John, yes you did
[22:30] karl: I've got a Civic.
[22:30] Athanasios: I've got a pair of brand new roller skates
[22:30] Athanasios: Sorry
[22:31] johngibson: Dan, don't go skatingin that buffalo herd
[22:31] PaniRose: well just dont forget the key
[22:31] ByzKat has signed off.
[22:31] byzantn: we are a small byzantine mission that celebrated its 5th anniversary last year
[22:31] akemner: congrats
[22:32] FrLoya: I think an agenda flyer to the parishes is good as well as to eparchial newspapers.
[22:32] Athanasios: Have we learned who all are registered thus far?
[22:32] PaniRose: and it is a wonderful mission in knoxville at that
[22:32] byzantn: but we still need to evangelize even if we have to do it a bit differently than northern parishes
[22:32] Athanasios: No newspaper is schedule for anytime between now and then, is there?
[22:33] akemner: it would not be all that different that what we would have to do in MO
[22:33] Chtec has left the room.
[22:33] PaniRose: Charles y'all have so much to offer to the disenfranchised protestants there.
[22:33] Athanasios: We do need an agenda distributed that is a bit more fleshed out than what we have
[22:33] StephenP: not having a flyer, how does one register from outside Parma?
[22:33] byzantn: I know, and they are thirsting for tradition, reverence, and beauty
[22:33] PaniRose: The BCW should be
[22:34] Athanasios: How does one register within the Eparchy?
[22:34] akemner: yeah
[22:34] johngibson: Byzantn... the world is thirsting for the same thing.
[22:34] karl: Call the chancery at +1.216.741.8773
[22:34] Athanasios: Who will print up an agenda and get it distributed?
[22:34] FrLoya: To register OR to send ideas if you cannot attend call: (216) 741-8773
[22:35] Athanasios: Will do, but who writes the agenda?
[22:35] StephenP: ok
[22:35] FrLoya: You can also email: parma.evangelization@comcast.net
[22:36] Athanasios: Any idea how many have registered thus far?
[22:36] johngibson: Fr. loya, do we know who is collecting those emails and ideas that get phoned in?
[22:36] PaniRose: Would it be possilbe to put an add on the forum?
[22:36] FrLoya: The agenda would be the schedule and a synopsis of the procedure and the rules (no arguing, etc.)
[22:37] FrLoya: No. I don' t think I know Fr. Anthony.
[22:37] FrLoya: I could compose an agend flyer and get it sent around the eparchy
[22:38] Athanasios: Do you want me to write up the synopsis for the Nominal Group or do we need to wait and see if Pat is on board?
[22:38] FrLoya: Yes. Write up the synopsis
[22:39] Athanasios: Have we discussed who all are coming?
[22:39] FrLoya: I will be attending the Melkite Convention here in Chicago July 23. I could bring flyers.
[22:39] Athanasios: What bishops, what priests, what monastics, what laitya and from where?
[22:39] PaniRose: oh Father that would be wonderful.
[22:40] FrLoya: I can also advertise our meeting on my radio program
[22:40] Athanasios: Yes, yes
[22:40] Athanasios: I was hoping John S would be with us tonight
[22:40] johngibson: how about the relevant Radio events calender?
[22:41] Athanasios: How's his moving getting along?
[22:41] johngibson: Dan, John is still moving
[22:41] karl: If you know people who should come, phone them. There are folks who don't live by a parish, who don't come to byzcath.org, but who nvertheless should be there.
[22:41] johngibson: They just got in the house today.
[22:41] karl: The personal touch works.
[22:41] PaniRose: Well how much can we get the seminary involved? Or would they be interested right now in having the seminarians attend?
[22:42] FrLoya: This would be made to order for seminarians. Let them know about it!
[22:42] Athanasios: That might not be a bad idea.
[22:42] johngibson: Great Idea...
[22:42] StephenP: I think the seminarians are on summer break already till early Sept
[22:43] johngibson: Doesn't the national direrectory of parishes also list EC parishes?
[22:43] akemner: Uniotown is usually the first thing of the year
[22:43] Athanasios: What about Fr. Eyman?
[22:43] PaniRose: Well Fr. David would need to know as soon as possible although, I imagine he does to a certain point. But he may not realize what is really happening.
[22:43] Athanasios: What's great about the Nominal group is that everyone is "nominal"
[22:44] Athanasios: No one is intimidated by anyone else
[22:44] Athanasios: All ideas get a hearing
[22:44] FrLoya: If Dan can compose a brief description of the Nominal group process I can make the flyer and get it out next week.
[22:44] Athanasios: As long as the moderator enforces the rules
[22:44] Athanasios: I'll bring it Sunday
[22:45] akemner: since there will be multipel groups, ill there be assistants to help the moderator?
[22:43] Athanasios: What's great about the Nominal group is that everyone is "nominal"
[22:44] Athanasios: No one is intimidated by anyone else
[22:44] Athanasios: All ideas get a hearing
[22:44] FrLoya: If Dan can compose a brief description of the Nominal group process I can make the flyer and get it out next week.
[22:44] Athanasios: As long as the moderator enforces the rules
[22:44] Athanasios: I'll bring it Sunday
[22:45] akemner: since there will be multipel groups, ill there be assistants to help the moderator?
[22:45] Athanasios: Yes
[22:45] Athanasios: Indeed.,
[22:45] FrLoya: Right now I know of participants from California, Wyoming and Virginia who will be attending
[22:45] Athanasios: The action groups will run themselves
[22:45] akemner: wow
[22:45] Athanasios: But someone needs to help by quickly writing down ideas
[22:45] karl: Wisconsin as well, New Mexico
[22:46] akemner: you may have two from Missouri
[22:46] Athanasios: Minnesotta
[22:46] MichaelJ has entered the room.
[22:46] Athanasios: Champaign
[22:46] FrLoya: Also Iowa and Peoria Illinois
[22:47] Athanasios: What resources does Whiting have?
[22:47] Athanasios: Can we eat at the church?
[22:47] Athanasios: Will the new priest be working with us
[22:47] Athanasios: ARe there white boards?
[22:47] johngibson: Also what will we need to bring to the meeting?
[22:47] karl: Yes. There's a big hall we can use. I think they used to have a school
[22:47] FrLoya: Yes, and you can enjoy fine cigars or chocolate for the ladies as well
[22:48] johngibson: I would like to make sure that we have all the tools we need to make this meeting smooth saliling
[22:48] Athanasios: News print has always worked well because one never knows how many ideas this will generate
[22:49] Athanasios: Often in the hundreds
[22:49] akemner: ther's a pierogie restaurant near the church as well
[22:49] Athanasios: Given our compressed time it might be good if the Church could feed us or we could order out and eat there
[22:50] Athanasios: Welcome Michael
[22:50] akemner: yahoo maps says there are aleast a dosen or more restaurants in th evincinity
[22:50] johngibson: I can get end rolls of Newsprint locally
[22:50] akemner: including Little Ceasars
[22:50] FrLoya: I will make sure that lunch is served at the church
[22:50] StephenP: So far the time for the meeting is around 3-4 hours with some before and after time tossed in...
[22:50] johngibson: akem... To latin
[22:51] MichaelJ: Hi all.
[22:51] akemner: that is why i mentioned DAns Pierogies first
[22:51] StephenP: is the meeting planned for early in the day or afternoon?
[22:51] Athanasios: 10 am. to 5 p.m.
[22:51] akemner: begins 10 AM cdt
[22:52] PaniRose: Hey Michael, glad you made it.
[22:52] Athanasios: Then off to Homer Glen for a fine dinner prepared by Fr.
[22:52] Athanasios:
[22:52] byzantn has signed off.
[22:52] karl: Here's another important question: do we have cantors for the liturgies?
[22:53] johngibson: GOOD POINT!
[22:53] PaniRose: Welll if Stephen comes you will.
[22:53] Athanasios: A Cantor would indeed think of that
[22:53] StephenP: if I make it we will..
[22:53] akemner: if i come, there will be another
[22:53] PaniRose: See God has already thought of that.
[22:53] Athanasios: We seem to have an abundance of Cantors
[22:53] johngibson: can't swing a censer without hitting one....
[22:53] Athanasios: Sharon Mech and Gordon Dozier hope to come as well
[22:53] johngibson: ::: igh::::
[22:53] akemner: in our Church, everyone is a chanter
[22:53] byzantn has entered the room.
[22:54] StephenP: Tho I may be on duty here at the home front..
[22:54] PaniRose: wb Charles
[22:54] byzantn: internet glitch
[22:55] StephenP: Cantors tend to be evangelisers
[22:55] Athanasios: Glad you got back
[22:55] PaniRose: Well we have the readers, but Archbishop Cyril, said we have the best choir in the diocese cause the whole church sings.
[22:55] Athanasios: Wonderful
[22:55] karl: My new favorite saint is St. Vladimir Pryjma, the cantor.
[22:55] Athanasios: I like these brief meetings like this
[22:55] karl: Martyred while out on a sick call with his pastor.
[22:55] PaniRose: wow
[22:56] Athanasios: Mixed with emails, byzcath forum, phone, we might just get this planned.
[22:56] karl: Fr. Loya, what should we do about liturgy books for the day?
[22:56] johngibson: Dan, I hope so....
[22:56] karl: We need a lot.
[22:56] StephenP: good point.
[22:56] akemner: would not St Mary's have tsome?
[22:56] johngibson: I also believe we need to tap some of those who aren't coming to PRAY!
[22:56] Athanasios: Should we use the new translation
[22:57] Athanasios: Yes.
[22:57] FrLoya: The parish has liturgy books and we will make up the handout sheets for changeable parts
[22:57] karl: At least with the movable parts and with Vespers, especially if we are going to do the version we usually do.
[22:57] karl: Let me know if you want me to help.
[22:57] StephenP: there's a good question, since the new translation isn't yuet official
[22:57] Athanasios: Do we usually use the new translation now
[22:57] byzantn: we haven't even seen it yet
[22:57] StephenP: only for Vespers at this point
[22:58] Athanasios: But we have seen some changes at Annunciation
[22:58] akemner: you can get a glimpse of it via the MAtins and Vespers books
[22:58] Athanasios: Where's "The doors, the doors"?
[22:58] akemner: taht should be in
[22:58] akemner: we us the curtain in my parish
[22:58] StephenP: Tho the seminary has permission to use the new translation
[22:58] johngibson: Dan, ask John S... he opens them and closes them
[22:58] Athanasios:
[22:59] Athanasios: I like that part.
[22:59] karl: Should I call Parma and ask what version of Vespers Bishop John would like to do?
[22:59] Athanasios: Calling out "The doors, the doors" separate the catechists from the rest.
[22:59] FrLoya: Let's just use the books from Annunciation. We can get more printed up
[22:59] Athanasios: Say, why don't we escort the neophytes out at the time anymore?

[23:00] StephenP: Many parishes still use 'the doors...'
[23:00] byzantn has signed off.
[23:00] johngibson: Dan, do we have any Neophytes? I thought the council of Niceia in 415 got rid of them
[23:00] StephenP: Fr Loya, that would probably be the best given the relatively short time till this meeting.
[23:01] karl: Ok. I volunteer to shepherd the many cantors.
[23:01] Athanasios: They all became Muslims
[23:01] karl: Gentlemen, we're drifting.
[23:01] Athanasios: And I'll write the synopsis.
[23:01] akemner: yes
[23:01] Athanasios: We
[23:01] FrLoya: I believe that Tim Woods (cantor and choir director at Annunciatio parish) will be at the meeting
[23:01] Athanasios: are just making friends.
[23:01] Athanasios: I suspect he will
[23:02] karl: Oh good. Then I'll talk to him and see if he wants any help.
[23:02] Athanasios: Are there places to stand during liturgy?
[23:02] johngibson: as for the copies of the Vesper books... I am willing to do the legwork to get the copies made
[23:02] FrLoya: Not really
[23:02] akemner: that is not the uissue
[23:03] akemner: what version of Vespers books do you use?
[23:03] Athanasios: Should I then voluteer to serve at the altar so I may stand
[23:03] karl: You'll have to stand in a pew, Dan.
[23:03] StephenP: or in the aisle
[23:03] Athanasios: Ah, I shall do that. We often did things like that at the old holiness camp meetings.
[23:03] karl: We use the one that the Metropolitan Cantor Institute has put out.
[23:04] FrLoya: Review: Dan gives synopsis to Fr. Tom who sends out flyer. John Gibson will get Vesper books printed. Anything else?
[23:04] akemner: yes
[23:04] akemner: but there have been substatial revision lately
[23:04] karl: I talk to Tim Woods, who doubtlessly has the music all planned already, but volunteer to help anyway.
[23:04] StephenP: I haven't caught up with the latest revision
[23:05] akemner: you'll want to go over it it wiht him anyway
[23:05] akemner: it hasnot been released yet
[23:05] StephenP: adam, could you email me about the revisions?
[23:05] akemner: sure
[23:05] StephenP: steve@petach.com
[23:05] karl: I believe the vespers book is finalized. But I could be wrong.
[23:05] FrLoya: The books used at Annuncation are the latest edition of the Vespers from Prof Thompson at seminary
[23:08] Athanasios: I'm running out of steam
[23:08] StephenP: keep focused on the meeting ...We will have something to sing by then.
[23:08] karl: Afterhours plans: should we plan a get-together in Homer Glen?
[23:09] Athanasios: yes
[23:09] karl: Get a bunch of frozen burgers, so we can be flexible for however many come?
[23:09] PaniRose: how far away is that from the meeting
[23:09] karl: Or have Jaroslav make holopki
[23:09] FrLoya: Gentlemen: just a reminder: This meeting will be dealing with HUGE issues for BIG vision and plan of action. Please don't get bogged down in translation discussions
[23:09] MichaelJ: back
[23:09] Athanasios: We won't
[23:10] Athanasios: None of us got bogged down on the forum
[23:10] Athanasios: BTW who's coming from Va?
[23:10] FrLoya: Jack Figel
[23:10] Athanasios: Ah,
[23:10] StephenP: excellent!
[23:10] Athanasios: Let's hope things work out so he can be ordained, soon
[23:11] karl: Whiting to Homer Glen is about half an hour?
[23:11] johngibson: Any other Ruthianian Bishops other than Bishop John Coming?
[23:11] karl: Whiting to Homer Glen is about half an hour?
[23:11] johngibson: Any other Ruthianian Bishops other than Bishop John Coming?
[23:11] FrLoya: Whiting to Homer Glen is 45 minutes
[23:11] Athanasios: Karl drives faster
[23:11] karl: Than Fr. Loya? Ha
[23:11] FrLoya: There may be bishops of other jurisdictions. Perhaps even Orthodox
[23:12] karl: Mario Andretti doesn't drive so fast.
[23:12] Athanasios: That is funny, isn't it')
[23:12] PaniRose: well one thing to consider is transporting eveyrone.
[23:13] PaniRose: Not everyone is driving and depending on numbers that could be a huge logistics problem.
[23:13] akemner: i imagine a lot of folks will have thier own cars
[23:13] Athanasios: With JG's van and the Church's we should have trouble
[23:13] akemner: oh
[23:13] karl: If need be we might be able to commandeer my brother's van.
[23:14] FrLoya: Our flyer should probably contain hotel info.
[23:14] karl: Good idea.
[23:15] Athanasios: Do you think Bsp. John will have the courage to let us do the work of the Church?
[23:15] akemner: there is a nice hotel 6 that my Godson stayed in when we visited Homer Glen last year
[23:15] Athanasios: After this meeting?
[23:15] karl: Also, folks can get to Whiting via public transportation.
[23:15] FrLoya: Do people want to stay near Whiting or Homer Glen?
[23:16] baptist: Homer Glen
[23:16] akemner: ditto
[23:16] baptist: People may want to stick around for liturgy on Sunday
[23:16] FrLoya: Idea: Put everyone up at Comfort Inn near Annunciation and shuttle them to Whiting
[23:16] PaniRose: Well if you can contact them with numbers they may give you a good rate for recommending them
[23:17] FrLoya: We can block rooms now. Maybe even rent a commercial bus if need be: Remember when visioning, cost does not matter
[23:18] StephenP: though having funds helps
[23:18] karl: God has lots of money.
[23:18] StephenP: for those who may not be able to make it, can donations be made to defray the costs?
[23:19] PaniRose: Yes but God is the Provider, not man.
[23:19] PaniRose: AMEN Karl!
[23:20] Athanasios: I'll get the synopsis.
[23:20] Athanasios: I must sign off. Glory to Jesus Christ!
[23:20] PaniRose: Dan
[23:20] akemner: glory 4evah
[23:20] karl: Glory to Him forever!
[23:20] PaniRose: may i just post the discussion on the forum
[23:21] PaniRose: that way it will be easy to access teh notes here.
[23:21] Athanasios: AS far as I'm concerned go ahead.
[23:21] Athanasios: Good night
[23:21] Athanasios has left the room.
[23:21] baptist: I don't know how many we're expecting, but St. Mary's is only so big. People should register so we can plan accordingly.
[23:21] FrLoya: Flyer could direct people to Comfort Inn near Homer Glen and incllude bus departing at 8:30 AM for Whiting. Bus makes stop back at Annunciation after meeting annd then to Comfort Inn
[23:21] StephenP: Though it may start the 200 post followup thread
[23:22] akemner: so there will be a new flyre?
[23:22] StephenP: What's the nearest major airport?
[23:22] karl: Midway
[23:22] johngibson: Stephen, that would be midway.
[23:22] akemner: midway
[23:22] karl: O'Hare isn't too inconvenient, either.
[23:23] akemner: except that it is O HAre
[23:23] akemner: Southwest flies to Midway
[23:23] StephenP: Thanks, I can check on flights this weekend
[23:23] johngibson: Start talking to the other Eparchies about chartering jets out here...
[23:25] karl: Fr. Loya, I think that's a good plan for the flyer.
[23:26] johngibson: Any other groups that we haven't thought of to invite?
[23:26] FrLoya: Thank you everyone. I am going to sign off. Just a reminder: make sure publicity indicates that meeting is for eparchy, not just Whiting parish and open to eveyone.
[23:26] karl: Gentlemen and Lady, I'm going to retire and read some Karol Wojtyla, all about the metaphysics of shame.
[23:26] PaniRose: when is the next meeting
[23:26] PaniRose: did a time get set for it?
[23:26] StephenP: no
[23:27] karl: Oh, Rose, a note: when you post the blurb for the next meeting, include the date in the subject line
[23:27] PaniRose: alright
[23:27] karl: "Meeting tonight" is imprecise. I keep thinking there's a meeting every night.
[23:27] PaniRose: Got you
[23:27] FrLoya has left the room.
[23:27] akemner: all pertinent info in the subject line
[23:27] akemner: no message body
[23:27] StephenP: perhaps Monday/Tuesday next week or keep Thursday?
[23:27] johngibson: Ok... I have to get going also...
[23:27] PaniRose: well i put the date and time
[23:27] johngibson: Pani, check with Dan...
[23:28] akemner: your word is our command
[23:28] PaniRose: ok will do
[23:28] johngibson: I think he needs to be a part of the meeting..
[23:28] karl: Ok, Good night all.
[23:28] akemner: goddy night
[23:28] karl: Schlafen sie wohl.
[23:28] StephenP: dobre noc
[23:28] akemner: dank'
[23:29] johngibson: Night all
[23:29] akemner: gute nacht
[23:29] johngibson has left the room.
[23:29] karl has left the room.
[23:29] akemner has left the room.
[23:29] MichaelJ: are you posting the meeting notes then?

AND to answer MichaelJ question, here are the meeting notes from 6/30/2005 for the Evangelization Workshop...Everyone come and give your input.
Pani Rose

Pani,

Thank you so much for this. For those not able to be part of the chat a reminder: Register through the Parma Chancery. A deadline has not been for registrations but there seems to be a growing number of people registering. I suspect a deadline will be set soon.

If you will need housing it is very important that you register early. As Father Loya indicated we will attempt to reserve a block of rooms near Annunciation and shuttle to Whiting, Indiana from there.

We getting together a cook out at Annunciation after the meeting to give all of us a chance to meet.

Bishop John will be hosting the meeting at Whiting and so you will get an opportunity to thank him personally.

The Nominal Group method will be used for the sharing and prioritizing ideas and action groups will be formed during the session. No limits will be put on your ideas except in the brevity of their presentation. A flier will be coming out soon to give a fuller explanation of the event.

Every Church in the Eparchy of Parma has recieved a faxed description of the event and an invitation to come sent out by Bishop John. Ask your pastor for further details.

Every priest in the Eparchy of Parma has recieved a fax by now. If you are coming from outside this Eparchy or if you are within the Eparchy call the Chancery to register 216-741-8773.

Dan L

Dan Lauffer

Dan we failed to set a day and time for the next meeting.

Maybe others will post their thoughts here as did Adam and Wolfgang, once they read the minutes. This link adds their thoughts so they will not be lost in messages.
https://www.byzcath.org/bboard/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=000110

Ok, so I am weird, I think it is funny to say minutes in regards to the notes. As the transcript from the chat room literally gives us every minute.

Pani Rose

Pani,

I note that Thursday seems good for people. Why not next Thursday, July 7 at 9:45 p.m. CST; 10:45 p.m. EST; 8:45 MST; and 7:45 p.m PST?

I note also that Father Loya indicates that along with registering through the Chancery office at 216-741-8773 if a person plans to stay in a hotel that they should call the Comfort Inn in Orland Park. As soon as I get a number I'll post it. Father is reserving a block of rooms for the Parma event.

Dan L