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I have not found the article - I sw it this morning - Cardinal George Pell of Australia was very vocal in supporting Benedict XVI's comments about Islam. Cardinal Pell also pointed out that the violent reactions of Muslims proves Benedict XVI's point.

I think something really bears a need for clarification: the Pope did not say that Islam is inherently violent or anything of the sort. His speech had really nothing to do with Islam.

I would seriously recommend going here to see Fr. Jim Tucker's linked article before proceeding further: http://donjim.blogspot.com/

Logos Teen

Dear Orest,

I read the article with interest. It seems every Church, Catholic and Protestant has it's crimes, although the crimes committed by Orthodox has been conveniently ignored. I have only to quote Father Arseny who said that communism in Russia was due to the sins of it's priests because the people follow the priests, or Saint Luke the Surgeon who also said it was due to the sins of the people. Those sins must have been quite grave.

Certainly it was the Russian people, and the Russian Orthodox that committed the crimes on their own countrymen in Russia and the Gulag. Should I go further?

As for comparing the 'freedom fighters' in Iraq with those in France, I don't believe the French were murdering and killing their own citizens. Unless someone is completely deaf and blind, they would be aware that what is happening in Iraq, is a war between the Sunni's and Shia's, and that it was implemented by Zarcawi, Osama Bin Ladin's man. We are merely caught in the middle...and doing our utmost to stop it. We promised them we would not desert them the way we did after the First Iraq war.

I think the priest that wrote that article, should do what many educated Muslims are now starting to realize, thanks to the Pope, that everyone should start understanding each other's religion and history.

Just to show you the ignorance of what the priest wrote, he mentioned the attacks on the Orthodox during the Crusades, but like many Orthodox, was totally unaware that in the the Third Crusade that preceded the fourth, tens of thousands of Catholics were massacred in Constantinople and Solonika, not to mention 'treachery' by the Emporor, etc.

And then there were the typical remarks about the inquisition, never realizing that paganism and heresy was so prevalent in Europe, that the Protestant countries ended up resorting to witch burnings. While in Orthodox lands, they conveniently adopted Mohammed. :rolleyes:

As for Pres. Bush, and the 'Protestants', he seems to forget that we were the one's that had to intervene in a Europe that was bent on self destruction. Maybe, just maybe, we decided rather than ending up in that same war situation again, we should stop it from occurring by trying at least to change those cultures.

You know I hate when I hear Europeans, that would be in the stone age after WW II if it wasn't for our charity, telling us how to handle foreign affairs. Hummff! :p

Zenovia

Would Constantinople had not fallen - if East and West had resolved their problems?

Instead, Islam contrinues to wreak havoc on our divided house.

If the decrees of Vatican I weren't proclaimed...

Would the Two Lungs be breathing as One after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in the wake of WWI?

Cardinal Pell had some strong words for the koran back in May of this year http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2006/s1631512.htm

So refreshing to hear instead of the usual ecumenical drivel.

Mmmmmmm. Indeed.

-- John

More from Cardinal Pell:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1234375,00.html

I like the Australian Muslim response. :rolleyes:

Cardinal Pell: Well, they proved the pope right by showing they weren't violent by going out and being violent. I'm really glad nothing has happened here in Australia.

Head of gov't appointed Muslim group: Nothing has happened here YET, but thanks a lot Cardinal, because now that you echoed that Muslims are violent, they are going to show you that they aren't by being violent here now, too.

Spokesman for Australian Muslims: Oh, it is fine if you want to say those things Cardinal, if you are up to the fight that is about to ensue because you said them. But I give my permission for you to say them if you want. (If I hadn't given my permission, you wouldn't be allowed to say it. And this is really just a polite and political way of saying you better retract what you said or we'll show you that we aren't violent by using pretty words that sound nice and civil while we know they'll be a call to arms for those under us who will be violent for us. So go ahead and say what you want, Cardinal. I'll sit here and smile and say nice things on the TV about how peaceful we are and that it was all your fault for instigating the violence that is about to ensue.)