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In ongoing research of a related subject, I came across the following news article from early 2004. I did a search of past forum threads and was unable to find previous mention of it, so thought I�d post it now.

Article found here. [phayul.com]

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Protests greet Buddhist visit to Catholic church
The Grand Rapids Press
[Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:41]
By Barton Deiters

Those who came to hear harmonious chants and prayers of Buddhist monks at the Basilica of St. Adalbert instead found themselves ousted from the sanctuary by a conservative Catholic splinter group bent on disrupting the performance.

The Catholic parish on Grand Rapids' West Side allowed seven Tibetan Buddhist monks into the church Tuesday evening, where about 35 people gathered to see them.

But a group of about 50 people and their spiritual leader from Allendale said allowing the Basilica to be used by non-Christians amounted to sacrilege. The members of St. Margaret Mary Church, which included several children, sat in the front pews beneath the giant crucifix and loudly recited prayers of the Rosary about 8 p.m.

This prevented the monks from giving the demonstration, prompting the seven of them to move from the stage peacefully, confounded by the events.

Those who came to see the monks were not happy. They milled about arguing with the people from Allendale, accusing them of being rude and not behaving like Christians.

"I've never seen anything like this," said Chris Kantor of Grand Rapids. "If this is a sign of the times, we're in big trouble."

The Rev. Thomas DeYoung, pastor at St. Adalbert's, asked the Allendale group to leave several times, but members ignored him and continued their recitation. Grand Rapids police were on the scene but took little action, deciding to let the group disperse peacefully.

The monks and those interested in hearing what they had to say moved to the basement, and once the sanctuary cleared out, the Allendale group got up and filed out.

The group was led by the Rev. Michael McMahon, who said allowing the Buddhist monks into the Catholic Church was offensive. His congregation, which practices Latin Mass, is not part of the Catholic Diocese of Grand Rapids.

"This goes against everything we as Catholics are supposed to believe," he said. "We can't stand by while this irreligious group uses this beautiful basilica.

"I pray to God it did some good," McMahon said of his group's actions.

Despite the incident, an appearance this morning by the monks at Grand Valley State University was to go on as planned.

The monks were invited by Yosay Wangdi, a Tibetan faculty member of the history department, for a cultural demonstration including chanting and dancing.

She called Tuesday night's protest "unfortunate," adding Christians have nothing to fear from Tibetan Buddhists.

"Buddhism is a very tolerant religion," Wangdi said this morning. "The Dalai Lama has extreme respect for other religions. He and the pope are good friends."

GVSU's public safety staff was alerted to the possibility of a protest. "They're prepared to deal with any disruption," university spokeswoman Mary Eilleen Lyon said.

The Rev. McMahon's church is part of the Society of St. Pius X, a group that rejects many of tenets of the so-called Vatican II edict that modernized the Roman Catholic Church in the 1960s.

The society has churches worldwide, and the Allendale Church started out meeting at temporary facilities in Wyoming, Gaines Township and Kalamazoo before moving to a former Christian Reformed church in Allendale about five years ago, said Clayton Hauschild, church treasurer from Hastings.

The society is rejected by most Catholics, and the church does not recognize its priests or traditions.

DeYoung said he was supposed to be on vacation Tuesday but decided to stick around after receiving angry e-mails about the monks' visit over the past several days.

"I suspected something was going to happen, but I didn't know what," DeYoung said.

He said the Allendale group's action demonstrated a profound lack of understanding about Buddhism, which worships no specific god, does not try to convert nonbelievers, and seeks enlightenment.

"I've never felt my faith threatened by learning about other traditions, only enhanced."

Glen Freeman, a member of Tibet West Michigan, said he helped bring the monks to Grand Rapids and other areas worldwide. Tibetan monks have visited West Michigan several times, including last spring when they visited Gilda's Club and Fountain Street Church.

"This is the only time I've ever heard of anything like this," Freeman said.

He added the monks were here to raise awareness about the brutal conditions in Tibet as it struggles to be free of Chinese control and to spread the Buddhist message of universal harmony.

Speaking through an interpreter, the monks tried to put their distraught hosts at ease. They joked that in India, the dispute could have ended with rocks being hurled.

Despite the disruption, the monks, dressed in flowing scarlet and yellow robes, were able to give their demonstration and discuss Buddhism with those who gathered in the basement. Later, they planned to take advantage of the basilica's acoustics to record chants.

Geshe-La Lobsang Zodpa, leader of the monks, felt badly about the problems.

"In Buddhist culture, there is no debasing other religions," he said.

Religion Editor Charles Honey contributed to this report.


My question - where was the RC Bishop in all of this?

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I remember seeing some pics of this at the SSPX website...indeed the Buddhist monks were in the sanctuary ... though I don't remember a response from the Diocese Bishop.

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Why would the RC Bishop need to be involved?

The Pastor of St. Adalbert seems to have agreed to the Buddhist ceremony or performance or whatever it is they were doing.

The SSPX group, on the other hand, came into the building without an invitation.

In my opinion, being that neither the Buddhists nor the members of the SSPX are members of the Roman Catholic Church, neither group have the right to use an RC parish for anything.

The BIG difference is that the Buddhists came as guests and the SSPX'ers came as intruders.

The Police acted correctly, as the SSPX'ers were not actually disrupting a religious ceremony (the event is being presented as a demonstration or a performance). They were just being unsurprisingly rude.

Now, whether or not the pastor should have invited the Buddhists might be up for discussion, however, I would be very surprised if any RC Bishop had any problem with such a friendly gesture.

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Originally Posted by Memo Rodriguez
Why would the RC Bishop need to be involved?

The Pastor of St. Adalbert seems to have agreed to the Buddhist ceremony or performance or whatever it is they were doing.

The SSPX group, on the other hand, came into the building without an invitation.

In my opinion, being that neither the Buddhists nor the members of the SSPX are members of the Roman Catholic Church, neither group have the right to use an RC parish for anything.

The BIG difference is that the Buddhists came as guests and the SSPX'ers came as intruders.

The Police acted correctly, as the SSPX'ers were not actually disrupting a religious ceremony (the event is being presented as a demonstration or a performance). They were just being unsurprisingly rude.

Now, whether or not the pastor should have invited the Buddhists might be up for discussion, however, I would be very surprised if any RC Bishop had any problem with such a friendly gesture.

Shalom,
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Memo,
Are you acquainted at all with Buddhist belief and theology? It really is simple, and basically boils down to this: What Christ taught as good, the buddhists believe to be bad and what Christ taught to be bad, they believe to be good. This is not a "friendly gesture" as you put it. This was desecration of a Church with the priest as a participant.
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I'm really not sure why Isaac has just brought this up now - the incident was in 2004.

I hope this is not a witch hunt frown


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�Why would the RC Bishop need to be involved?� Why indeed. St. Adalbert is after all only a Basilica within his diocese, in which, in theory at least, he acts as shepherd and guide to the faithful.

�I would be very surprised if any RC Bishop had any problem with such a friendly gesture.� No doubt.

I imagine there will eventually be other such �friendly gestures� � say perhaps inviting a group of Santeria santeros (priests) into a Basilica for a �demonstration� or a �performance� of say chicken and/or goat sacrifices. Far-fetched � maybe � but nothing would surprise me anymore.


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"I'm really not sure why Isaac has just brought this up now - the incident was in 2004. I hope this is not a witch hunt"

No, more like a quest for facts. (But of course, please feel free to cast aspirations on me and my motives rather than address the incident cited.) Repeatedly I hear on this forum that the �disturbances� occurring within the Catholic Communion are a cross to be borne � so I decided to see just how large this cross is. What I am finding is very disturbing.

I have more than a passing interest in these �disturbances� � I am godfather to my two RC nieces. I take this responsibility very seriously (especially since their father is a non-believer) and am contemplating just what it is I need too do to assist my sister in securing their faith. It is a sad state of affairs when one needs to consider what measures to introduce in order to inoculate my godchildren from movements away from the faith arising from within their own church.


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Isaac, many of us take our faith seriously; I see no need to repost something that is old like this nor seriously what this has to do with catechizing your goddaughter.

But to be fair desecration by non-Christians AND schism are both Catholic catechetical lessons that need to be taught as I see it in this case.
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Fr. Deacon Diak,

Respectfully, the age of this incident is not an issue � something that occurred in 2004 is hardly ancient news. What is the issue is the incident itself � and since I found no previous mention of it on the forum at the time it occurred, I see nothing inappropriate about discussing it or at least pointing it out. If some find the actions of those involved inconvenient, then so be it � simply brush it off by breaking out the tried and true �cross to bear� clich� (or better yet, label it a witch hunt).


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I don't find them "inconvenient" at all - if indeed you are using this as a "catechetical moment" as you say, I'll stick by my observations that there are two such "moments" here - desecration on one side and schism on the other.

The recogition of the ipso facto excommunications of the four SSPX bishops may likewise be "inconvenient" for some.

I think an outside prayerful vigil with peace, faith, love, and humility would be more edifying than shouting out the Rosary inside.
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Yes, of course, focus on the schismatic priest and his flock who responded to this desecration and worked to foil it, rather than on the �canonical� priest who engineered this desecration of a holy place and the �canonical� bishop (the late Kevin Britt) whom I have now learned from reading his subsequent press release condoned the actions of his �canonical� priest in this desecration.

Despite your insinuation, I am not a supporter of SSPX, but then neither do I automatically dismiss their stance against the �difficulties� (a whitewash term if ever there was one) within the Catholic church such as happened at this Basilica.

Your tactic to shift the focus of this thread from the actions of the RC priest of this Basilica and his bishop to the SSPX priest and his parish who took action to prevent it will not work with me. My godchildren are RC not SSPX - if there are any lessons to be taught them from this and other outrages, it will be that of being secure enough in their faith to be aware of and willing to confront the evils within their church rather than paper over such �difficulties� as simply another cross to be borne.


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The tone of this thread is getting to approach the borderline of the required Christian charity. If this topic can not be discussed in a civil manner, it will be closed. Concerns have been raised already with the administrators.

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Isaac, I am confused. I don't see any attempt to switch anything, insinuate anything, or change the "focus". Read my post - to point out in Catholic charity and fairness the entire story is not "switching" or "changing focus". It is stating the entire truth of the entire situation - neither black nor white but reality.

Please re-read my post: I most certainly agree that what happened was egregious; I also pointed out in fairness what would have been, in my opinion, a better response; and in fairness I also pointed out that if one is to really use this, as you mention, as a "lesson" then there are several lessons to be learned - you were the first to use the notion of "inconvenience" and it should be applied equally.

I have had the pleasure of both knowing and serving Mass for the late Archbishop Lefebvre, and I do not hold any automatic contempt for the SSPX or its followers, and in fact retain friends who are among their ranks.

I am Catholic, and think schism and desecrating acts both need to be called for what they are. You wished to dig up a dated story; you stated that you wished it to be used as a lesson to your goddaughters by doing so; I have simply responded that there are several lessons apparent in this episode. What "works" or "doesn't work" with you is your business. Sin does not justify sin; and both heterodoxy and schism are sins.


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