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MOTU PROPIO AFTER CHRISTMAS, APOSTOLIC EXHORTATION IN JANUARY
Rome, Dec. 15, 2006 (CNA) - Sources close to the Vatican have told Catholic News Agency that the Motu Propio by which Pope Benedict XVI would allow for the universal use of the Missal of St. Pius V may be published after Christmas, while the Post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortation on the Eucharist could come in mid-January 2007.
Sources confirmed the recent statements to reporters by Cardinal Jorge Medina Estevez, who told them after participating in a meeting of the Ecclesia Dei Commission, where the text of the Motu Propio was reviewed, that the document would come soon.
The declaration would allow the Mass of St. Pius V�often called the Tridentine Mass�to be celebrated freely and do away with the current requirement to have the explicit permission of the local bishop. The Motu Propio does not address the canonical status of the Society of St. Pius X, the schismatic organization founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.
The Apostolic Exhortation on the Eucharist, according to the same sources, has already been finished by Pope Benedict XVI and is being translated into the different languages in which it will be presented.
The document, which sources say will be issued after January 15, reaffirms the Church�s commitment to a celibate priesthood, encourages the use of Latin in liturgical celebrations, and even requests that seminarians learn the language as part of their formation.
It will also promote the recovery of Gregorian chant and sacred polyphonic music as a replacement to modern music, which would result in a gradual elimination of musical instruments that are �inappropriate� for the solemnity and reverence of the Eucharistic celebration
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Dear Gordo,
It is wonderful news that the "univeral indult" allowing the Tridentine Mass will now truly become "universal". There are many who have hoped and prayed for this for a long time. It is my hope that one day every Latin parish will have the faculties to celebrate the Tridentine Mass if so desired.
Without delving into my own personal reasoning, for myself, the "Apostolic Exhortation on the Eucharist" which will hopefully refine and redefine the univeral praxis of the current Roman Missal, will be the document I have long anticipated.
Both of the documents will be of utmost importance, I pray the beginning of the "reform of the reform" at last, and quite possibly the benchmarks of this Pope's pontificate.
Many Years to Pope Benedict XVI,
Bill
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Bill,
Yes, I agree - I believe that we have the right Pope in place at the right time to ensure an authentic restoration of Christian worship within the Latin Church.
I look forward to the documents you mentioned as well, as an interested Catholic, albeit of the Byzantine persuasion.
My only comment (which is a repeat for me) is that I hope somehow the commitment to the vernacular is not lost in the momentum towards restoring traditional worship. I ran across a copy of Gregorian chant translated into English the other day. It is really quite beautiful, and by utilizing the vernacular (or perhaps a mix of Latin and the vernacular) many more Catholics (and non-Catholics) hungry for the Holy will be exposed to the riches and richness of Latin Catholicism.
Pace e' bene,
Gordo
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Fr Serge - I so agree - but this has been talked about for so long - and we are still waiting for it.
Time will tell - until it is published we will just have to wait.
the words egg , Chicken and hatch come to mind here
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It may not be trite to reiterate here that the Novus Ordo remains as the normative Roman Missal, i.e., from which all vernacular versions/translations are to be derived and to be judged in their "faithfulness."
Although the TLM is now freed from the local Bishop's indult, its celebration by a parish still depends on the availability of priests trained in the requisite rubrics and other necessary "ingredients."
As the number of "knowledgeable" older priests goes down, seminaries will now be tasked to trained "new" Tridentine priests to cover the expected surge of requests from parishioners for the regular celebration of the TLM.
I hope this will be the case!
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I have suspect feelings regarding this and why the suppression exists on something that was never abrogated...
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"It may not be trite to reiterate here that the Novus Ordo remains as the normative Roman Missal, i.e., from which all vernacular versions/translations are to be derived and to be judged in their 'faithfulness'."
Dear Amado,
Just want to clarify my above post a bit. Call me crazy but I prefer the Novus Ordo to the Tridentine. The use of the vernacular was a major step forward and one that I welcome, though I also welcome the return to the use of some Latin. The English vernacular translation needs to be congruent with the text of the Roman Missal and I would like to see the return to more traditional liturgical music and chant. I wouldn't mind seeing the priest facing "ad orientum" during the Liturgy of the Eucharist, either.
In Christ,
Bill
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Amado,
I hope you are not saying that the American/English/ICEL version is a faithful translation of the latin from Roman Missal...it is weak, diluted and inaccurate...
my final comment on this subject here.
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Amado,
I hope you are not saying that the American/English/ICEL version is a faithful translation of the latin from Roman Missal...it is weak, diluted and inaccurate...
my final comment on this subject here.
james No, I am not saying that!  In fact, the American/English/ICEL translations are being reviewed/have been reviewed and I think "for all" will soon be replaced with the original "for many" as the correct (faithful?) translation of "pro multi." 
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James, don't you know about the Vox Clara Committee?
The English translation of the ENTIRE Missale are being done, and will be implemented in late 2008/early 2009. The Mass is already done, and the Holy See is just making a few corrections, like changing "for all" to "for many." The entire new Missale, it seems, will be presented and integrated into parishes at the same time.
So, a complete and total overhaul of the Latin-to-English translations for the Novus Ordo has/will occur. Not that I'd attend a Novus Ordo Mass no matter how well done if I had a good Tridentine closely available, but the entire thing points toward a true rediscovery of the meaning of liturgy in the Latin Church.
Logos Teen
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LT,
I'm busy learning Latin again...it's been 47 years or so since my altar boy days...I try to limit my comments/topics about the Latin Rite out of respect for my Eastern brethern...
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This is definately something to keep in mind, but I would also point out that this is the first time we've been hearing this stuff openly from officials in the Vatican, from the Ecclesia Dei Commission no less. Everything I've seen previously has been "I heard a rumor from someone who knows a priest who had a cousin working as a secretary to someone in the Vatican". This is obviously not along those lines, so I think we have great reason to be hopeful.
Peace and God bless!
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Heven't we heard this quite a few times during the year?
It's starting to sound like the JW's with their end of the world thing.
Shalom,
Memo
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