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Hello All --

I apologize if this has been discussed already. As you can see by the number of posts I have, I am an infrequent visitor here.

I am reading THE SOUL AFTER DEATH by Fr. Seraphim Rose. I am about halfway through and it has raised a lot of questions for me that are bothering me.

Fr. Seraphim speaks of the testimony of early saints in which they speak of experiences of death they had and how as they ascended, the demons surrounded them and tried to get them to despair and fall away from their salvation at the last minute by calling out all their sins to them.

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"St. Columba, for example, the founder of the island monastery of Iona in Scotland (+597), many times in his life saw the battle of the demons in the air for the souls of the newly departed." (pp 76)

Did Christ not win victory over the demonic forces by His death and resurrection? How then are we to be subject to anyone else but Him in this regard? The demons should no longer have any claim to the souls of men, should they? Are we not now, as baptized Christians, subject to one Master and one alone? Why are these foul spirits allowed at all to pursue and torment a soul after death?

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"He heard all his sins, which he had committed from his youth on and had failed to confess or had forgotten or had not recognized as sins....." (pp 77)

Isn't a certain part of sin the knowledge that one is committing a sin? Just how culpable is the soul for sins that it does not know and has not been instructed in?

Is there any correlation between the idea of the tollhouses of Orthodoxy and the judgment of the soul there, and the teaching of Purgatory as found in the West? Where are they alike and where do they differ?

Fr. Seraphim contrasts the tradition and writings of Orthodoxy with the currently popular "near death" experiences of the West and other religions. He notes that in non - Orthodox cases, when a person has a near death experience, they describe what they see in terms that are culturally familiar to them. In other words, those in India tend to meet the false gods of Hinduism, while Americans tend to have experiences which are tied in with Protestant Christianity.

Well......on the same level then, could it not be thought that perhaps the Orthodox view of the toll houses is culturally Orthodox? He seems to give a great deal of credence to that which is Orthodox, even though in many ways it is similar to the experiences of non Orthodox. I must say it seems rather biased to me.

Finally, I would like to refer to Dr. Alexandre Kalomiros' work THE RIVER OF FIRE [orthodoxpress.org]. The concept of the afterlife, as given by this Orthodox writer, is that our lives become here on earth what they will be for eternity. God brings all souls to Him through the redemptive work of Christ, but for those who have lived for self and hated God, the presence of God will be an ever tormenting fire. For the righteous, the presence of God will be an ever warming and pleasurable fire.

In other words, we create our own afterlife by our choices here on earth -- to submit to and follow Christ or to reject Him. The demons have nothing to do with this.

And why should they? Are they not defeated? Are they not bound for eternal suffering as rebels against the Great King?

I find Fr. Rose's writings (and the body of Orthodoxy which he quotes and supports) to be most troubling and confusing.

I would appreciate some discussion on this. I am sure I am wrong in my understanding, which is why I am coming to you for help. I am open to change, but need instruction.

Thank you.


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Did Christ not win victory over the demonic forces by His death and resurrection?

Yes but people still have free will which the demons try to get you to misuse and choose them and not Christ.

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Isn't a certain part of sin the knowledge that one is committing a sin?

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Well......on the same level then, could it not be thought that perhaps the Orthodox view of the toll houses is culturally Orthodox?

Of course!

Both Eastern and Western Catholicism believe in the particular judgement right after death. Fr Seraphim is simply describing a Russian folkloric rendering of it. The toll-houses are not doctrine.

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The concept of the afterlife, as given by this Orthodox writer, is that our lives become here on earth what they will be for eternity. God brings all souls to Him through the redemptive work of Christ, but for those who have lived for self and hated God, the presence of God will be an ever tormenting fire. For the righteous, the presence of God will be an ever warming and pleasurable fire.

In other words, we create our own afterlife by our choices here on earth -- to submit to and follow Christ or to reject Him. The demons have nothing to do with this.

That's as good a description as any and yes, the decision is ultimately yours but the demons do their best to make you make the wrong decision.

I don't believe in 'praying people out of hell' as loving as that sounds. It's heresy, a denial of free will. The decision for ultimately heaven or hell is based on your choices in this life. Once you die it's too late; you simply have that decision read to you at the particular judgement, perhaps in a long drawn-out way as Russian folklore describes, maybe not.

The intermediate state (what the West calls purgatory) is logically necessary for prayer for the dead to make sense! (Purgatorial fire is not Western Catholic doctrine; purgatory is.)

You can be entirely orthodox and hope there are no people in hell, only the fallen angels. But you can't be a universalist outright: Jesus was clear on the terrifying possibility of ending up there.

Happy feast of the Synaxis of the Mother of God to most readers here.

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I guess one problem I am having is the idea of us being individually described as "The Bride of Christ" (as well as corporately, but I am talking about individuals now).

Christ God MUST know who is ultimately His and who is not. The idea that someone who is His, who would go through final cleansing, and ultimately enter into that blessed eternal union with Him, being tempted on the way to Him so that they might yet fall away, even after death.....????

What kind of husband would allow that which is his most intimate and wonderful prize -- his spouse -- to be taken from him by his enemies. Men have died on earth rather than let that happen, yet I am supposed to believe that Christ just sits and watches passively as His Bride -- even on the way to the nuptial chambers -- is possibly taken from Him? In the analogy of man and woman, we are the bride and the ones who are the weak and helpless. It is He Who is strong -- our great protector and loving Bridegroom.

The first Adam allowed his wife to fall and went with her. I expect better from the Last Adam (1 Corin. 15:45).

Yet He would let His enemies tempt His Bride with the possibility of not making it home?

I find this whole concept and idea repulsive!!!!!

BTW -- This may not be doctrine in the Orthodox Church, but the way that Fr. Rose wrote the book, one would be led to believe that it is a settled article of the Faith. One also notices a certain ..... ahem ...... shall we say " Russian Orthodox anti-papist" bias to what I had read so far.

Anyway, interesting book, but it raises a heck of a lot of problems and questions for me.

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I find this whole concept and idea repulsive!!!!!


Brother Ed...I am far from an expert on the subject of "the tollhouses" but I can can tell you everytime I see this subject come up on Orthodox forums it is as explosive as the calendar issue...so much so that some of these forums shut the discussion down as soon as it arises...

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BTW -- This may not be doctrine in the Orthodox Church, but the way that Fr. Rose wrote the book, one would be led to believe that it is a settled article of the Faith. One also notices a certain ..... ahem ...... shall we say "Russian Orthodox anti-papist" bias to what I had read so far.

Regarding Fr Seraphim's biases, agreed.

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Dr. Eric --

Thank you for the links you provided. What I didn't know -- the "rest of the story" if you will -- is that Fr. Rose's ideas on life after death are considered heretical and have been refuted by other Orthodox scholars.

You know, I just had a feeling -- a sense -- that something was not quite right with what I was reading in Fr. Rose's book.

Thanks again.

I think I will go to Amazon and obtain a copy of THE SOUL, THE BODY, AND DEATH by Puhalo.

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Brother Ed,

I'm going to answer your question about Christ Our God not coming to our aid at the hour of death from a non-Eastern Apparition. (I have moved away from apparition fever, but this one I do believe in.)

According to the account given by St. Faustina Kowalska, Our Lord Jesus calls three times in the infinitesimal instant between bodily death and the separation of the soul from the body. Even the most hardened sinner is allowed a final reprieve from Our Merciful Master, as He calls out for repentance. The person still has a final chance before Judgement.


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That scenario seems to much more be like what such unconditional and eternal love is like.

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Avoid wasting your money on anything written by Lev Puhalo. The same goes for anything from Fr, Michael Azkoul. Lev Puhalo was defrocked for espousing the heresy of soul sleep.
What Fr Seraphim has done in "The Soul After Death" was to take the ancient monastic teachings, and espouse them as viewed through ancient Russian metaphors. The Toll house are a theologoumenon, not dogma, merely a pious way of viewing what occurs after death. Here is a statement from the synod of bishops regarding the Toll House issue.

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/death/tollhouse_debate.aspx

On 19 November/2 December, 1980, the Synod of the Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia heard: the extensive correspondence connected with the controversy raised by Deacon Lev. Puhalo [(Ed. now Archbishop Lazarus of New Ostrog Monastery (Synaxis Press)] with regard to a book by Hieromonk Seraphim Rose on life after death. In the book in question a great many false teachings concerning the soul outside the body are investigated, with however, the purpose of contrasting an Orthodox explanation with them. However, entering a domain which has not been fully revealed to us, and furthermore, unwillingly employing non-Orthodox materials. Hieromonk Seraphim, despite various reservations, initiated a controversy, in which his opponent, Deacon Lev Puhalo, paying no heed to the disclaimers, with yet greater persistence, and with a spirit of condemnation, wrongly accuses him of heresy. This controversy can cause great harm to the souls of the faithful.

They directed: Theologically evaluating the book of Deacon Lev Puhalo, Bishop Gregory, in the review he made for the Synod of Bishops, reports the following:

Fearing, as is natural for an Orthodox person, the possibility of an Western or other non-Orthodox influence, Deacon Lev Puhalo has gone to the opposite extreme and contradicts a number of teachings which have long been accepted in Orthodox Dogmatic Theology. Thus for example, fearing lest the teaching concerning the "Toll-Stations" be likened to the Latin Doctrine of Purgatory, he leaves almost no place for what in Orthodox dogmatic theology is referred to as the "particular judgment", after which the soul experiences a foretaste of the blessedness or the eternal torment which awaits it after the resurrection.

The state of the soul after death Deacon Lev Puhalo represents as its utter inability to function in any way whatsoever other than with the assistance of the body (p.7). As he understands the matter, after its departure from the body, the soul finds itself in a state of mute and blind repose. "An active, intellectual life or functioning of the soul alone could never be conceived in either Old or New Testament thought. For the soul to function, its restoration with the body as the 'whole person' would be absolutely necessary" (p.9). "�Without the body, the soul� is not even a person, but only something 'of ' a person� the soul without the body cannot speak, nor remember, nor discern, nor think, nor be roused, nor see� " (p.23)

Such a concept of the soul separated from the body does not correspond in the least to the Orthodox concept. To begin with, it is at variance with the teaching concerning the preaching of the Forerunner in Hades prior to the arrival of the Saviour there, as well as the possibility of the souls of the Old Testament personages of heeding the preaching of the Saviour in Hades or their going with Him in paradise. Likewise, the parable of the rich man and Lazarus contradicts Fr. Lev's teaching. The synaxarion for Meatfare Sunday says: "Be it known that there all shall know one another�them that they know, and them that they have never seen, as saith Chrysostom� " The same synaxarion teaches concerning St. Basil the Great that he "saith in his discourse on the departed that before the general resurrection it hath been given to the saints to know one another and to rejoice together." The very appearance of Moses on Mt. Tabor reveals his soul as active and capable of taking part in conversation with the Saviour concerning His redemption of the Human Race. The state and life of people beyond the grave are not all the same, but depend upon the degree of sanctity or sinfulness of their life on earth. After death, some souls can in no wise manifest themselves on earth, but the saints receive such boldness that they can do good unto us in answer to our prayer.

While expressing certain healthy and good thoughts concerning life after death, Deacon Lev Puhalo has allowed himself to become too keen on battling that which appears to him to be scholastic, and from which he strives to free Orthodox theology. However, even such ascetics as St. Dimitry of Rostov, or Metropolitan Philaret of Moscow, Bishop Sylvester and other prominent Russian theologians as times managed to express genuinely Orthodox truth employing the outwardly scholastic expression of the theological science of their times, inasmuch as they drew such truth forth from the rich well of the Tradition of the Church. Among such ancient traditions is the tradition of the so-called toll-stations, which Deacon Lev Puhalo so determinedly dismisses, stating this doctrine, however, in an exaggerated manner. Actually, no one can dogmatically establish the existence of the toll-houses precisely in accordance with the form described in the dream (of Gregory recounted in the life) of Basil the New, insofar as no direct indication thereto is to be found in the Scriptures. However, this tradition has been preserved, with varying details, from profound antiquity and contains nothing that is contrary to piety. It is cited in all texts of dogmatic theology. The unorthodox explanation of Deacon Lev Puhalo, that the soul, separated from the body can neither see nor hear, that it cannot be subjected to the "particular judgment" of God without the body, and his very understanding of the toll-stations as mere bargaining between the angels and the demons indicates the hastiness of his judgments. Archimandrite Justin (Popovich), the most recent author in the field of dogmatic theology, writes of the toll-stations in the same spirit as they are described in the dream (of Gregory recounted in the life) of Basil the New. Archpriest Malinovsky, the author of a dogmatic theology text valued highly by Metropolitan Anthony, writes on the question: "How is the particular judgment conducted? What are the forms and manners of its implementation? The Scriptures do not speak of this. A trial has two aspects: the investigation of the innocence or guilt of the one being tried and the pronouncement of the sentence over him. But when the trial is conducted by the by the Omniscient God, for Whom the mortal state and worthiness of a man are ever apparent, the first aspect of the trial must be understood exclusively in the bringing of the soul to an awareness of its mortal state. For man's individual awareness is revealed by means of his conscience, that incorruptible judge established by God Himself within the soul. It is exactly in this way that one cannot accept the pronouncement of the sentence by the Almighty Being only in the sense of the announcing of the Judge's decision to the soul; the word of God is also the activity of His will, and for this reason the decision of the Almighty Judge is also the blessing of a soul or the refusal to permit its entry into the Kingdom of eternal life. Doubtless, the justice of God's judgment which determines its fate will be clearly acknowledged by the soul itself which is judged by its own conscience" (Archpriest N. Malinovsky, Orthodox Dogmatic Theology, Sergiev Posad, 1909, Vol. IV, pp. 448-450). Malinovsky mentions that even the ancient teachers, citing the account of the toll-stations, saw it only a "weak depiction of the heavenly things" (ibid., pp. 453-454). However, in the prayer of the Church there is considerable mention of the toll-stations themselves as attempts of the powers of darkness to affect the souls of the departed after their departure after their departure of the body. Thus, in the canon chanted at the parting of the soul from the body, we read: "The prince of the air, the oppressor, the tyrant who standeth on the dread paths, the relentless accountant thereof, do thou vouchsafe me who am departing from the earth to pass [O Theotokos]" (Ode IV, troparia 4; also Ode VIII, troparion 2). Mention of them is also made in the Octoechos of St. John Damascene.

In this encounter with the powers of darkness, that have caused a man to stumble in the course of life and strive also to suggest to his soul that by its constitution it belongs to them and not to the Kingdom of Heaven, is the particular judgment accomplished. On the other hand, in accordance with the Savior's words, the righteous can pass through these toll-stations unhindered" "Verily, verily I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life" (Jn 5:24). The soul of one who on earth has completed the course of the faith, thereby frees itself from evil. The demons have nothing in common with it and cannot touch it. Between these two aspects of souls�of the sinful and the holy�there still stand various degrees of sanctity or sinfulness, and in various degrees, the demons may harry them. These actions, which must in no way be accepted as the participation of the demons in the preliminary judgment, are what are referred to as the toll-stations. Rejection of possibility of their existence contradicts the consciousness of the ancient Church, as this is apparent from the Canon of Departure of the Soul.

Minimizing the significance of the fear in the face of the consequences of a sinful life and after the departure of the soul from the body, teaching of Fr. Lev. can weaken in the souls of his readers one of the stimuli to do battle with sin.

To maintain that the soul, having been separated from the body, finds itself in some state of sleep, since without the body it cannot experience either blessedness or suffering, or hear, or speak, and that the demons also cannot even see it, is contrary to our Faith. The Church has never taught this. In certain cases the citations made by Fr. Lev have in mind the insensibility not of the soul, but of the dead body.

How exactly disembodied souls can speak and be saved has not been revealed to us. The Church teaches only that without the body the soul does not experience either the fullness of blessedness or the fullness of torment. However, a pious soul already experiences repose because it has departed from earthly pangs and testings and may be more closely united with the Lord than it did on earth. Nevertheless, this blessedness is still only preliminary to the complete blessedness, which we await after the reuniting of soul and body at the general resurrection. In reply to question 61 in the Confession of the Eastern Patriarchs, we find: "Inasmuch as an accounting will not be required of each one separately on the day of the Last Judgment, since all is known to God; and inasmuch as at death each one knows his own deeds, after death each one also learns of the recompense for his deeds. For if each one knows his deeds, the sentence of God upon him is also known, as Gregory the Theologian says in his discourse on Caesarius, his brother Thus, one must think of the souls of sinners only from reversed perspective; i.e. that they know and foresee the torments which await them. Neither the righteous, nor the sinful receive the full reward for their deeds before the Last Judgment. Moreover, not all souls are found in the same state, nor are they sent to one and the same place." In connection with this there is the reservation that "when we say that God does not ask of us an accounting for our life, this must be understood in the sense that we shall be given an accounting not in the manner of human accountings" (Ibid.). To put it otherwise, life after death is not portrayable with sufficient fullness in earthly understandings and expressions.

Bishop Theophan the Recluse writes well of this. Referring to various visions similar to that (recounted in the life) of Basil the New and others, he poses the questions: "Can one definitely suppose that everything presented in them is reality of the matter, is exactly as is depicted therein? Are they not comparative images for a more vital and full representation of a reality not contained in such images, which is being introduced here?� All of these impressionably express the reality, but, I maintain, one may not think that the reality itself is exactly such, despite the fact that it is always expressed in no other way than by means of these images� " Calling to mind that the spiritual world is for us something mysterious, Bishop Theophan maintains that "these images represent the reality, but are not the reality itself. It is spiritual, noetic, devoid of anything fleshly. The Apostle Paul was caught up into Heaven,�and what did he say of his experience? That what is there, he says, "it is not lawful for a man to utter" (II Cor. 12:4). We have no words to express this. Our words are crude, bound to our senses, figurative.

Thus, addressing ourselves to contemporary conjectures on the life of the soul after death, I propose that we ought to follow the advice of Bishop Theophan," to terminate our speculation as regards the accounts of what takes place in the spiritual world. Read, delve deeply, be edified, but do not rush to draw any such conclusions therefrom. For that which is there, "eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man" (I Cor. 2:9) (The Soul and Angels Are Not Body, But Spirit, Moscow: 1891, pp. 90-92).

Taking all of the forgoing into consideration, the Synod of Bishops resolve: In the deliberations on life after death one must in general keep in mind that it is not pleased the Lord to reveal to us very much aside from the fact that the degree of a soul's blessedness depends on how much a man's life on the earth has been truly Christian, and the degree of a man's posthumous suffering depends upon the degree of sinfulness. To add conjectures to the little that the Lord has been pleased to reveal to us is not beneficial to our salvation, and all disputes in this domain are now especially detrimental, the more so when they become the object of the discussion of people who have not been fully established in the Faith. Acrid polemic apart from the spirit of mutual love turns such an exchange of opinions from a deliberation into an argument about words. The positive preaching of truths of the Church may be profitable, but not disputes in an area which is not subject to our investigation, but which evokes in the unprepared reader false notions on questions of importance to our salvation.

In view of this, at the present time of the Synod of Bishop's demands the cessation in our magazines of controversy on dogmatic questions and, in particular, on questions concerning life after death. This controversy must be ended on both sides, and Deacon Lev Puhalo is forbidden to lecture in the parishes until he signs a pledge satisfactory to the Synod to terminate his public statements on questions of internal disputes between Orthodox on subjects which may provoke confusion among the faithful.

(Resolved also:) To announce this resolution to Deacon Lev Puhalo and to editors of religious magazines.

Certified as an accurate translation of the original.

+Bishop Gregory
Secretary of the Synod of Bishops


Also,

A Homily by St. John the Wonderworker

Recently there have been many questions raised about what happens to the soul when a person dies. The following sermon by St. John of San Francisco outlines the Orthodox teaching. I have appended to the sermon by way of endnotes additional comments and extensive Patristic support for this comments. It is important for us as we approach this all-important subject to lay aside all preconceptions and to be willing to accept what the Fathers of the Church teach. Your opinion and my opinion are just that: OPINIONS; what is presented here is TRUTH! �Fr. John Mack
The Homily

Limitless and without consolation would have been our sorrow for close ones who are dying, if the Lord had not given us eternal life. Our life would be pointless if it ended with death. What benefit would there then be from virtue and good deed? Then they would be correct who say: "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die!" But man was created for immortality, and by His resurrection Christ opened the gates of the Heavenly Kingdom, of eternal blessedness for those who have believed in Him and have lived righteously. Our earthly life is a preparation for the future life, and this preparation ends with our death. "It is appointed unto man once to die, but after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27). Then a man leaves all his earthly cares; the body disintegrates, in order to rise anew at the General Resurrection. Often this spiritual vision begins in the dying even before death, and while still seeing those around them and even speaking with them, they see what others do not see [1].

But when it leaves the body, the soul finds itself among other spirits, good and bad. Usually it inclines toward those which are more akin to it in spirit, and if while in the body it was under the influence of certain ones, it will remain in dependence upon them when it leaves the body, however unpleasant they may turn out to be upon encountering them [2].

For the course of two days the soul enjoys relative freedom and can visit places on earth which were dear to it, but on the third day it moves into other spheres [3]. At this time (the third day), it passes through legions of evil spirits which obstruct its path and accuse it of various sins, to which they themselves had tempted it. According to various revelations there are twenty such obstacles, the so-called "toll-houses," at each of which one or another form of sin is tested; after passing through one the soul comes upon the next one, and only after successfully passing through all of them can the soul continue its path without being immediately cast into gehenna. How terrible these demons and their toll-houses are may be seen in the fact that Mother of God Herself, when informed by the Archangel Gabriel of Her approaching death, answering Her prayer, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself appeared from heaven to receive the soul of His Most Pure Mother and conduct it to heaven. Terrible indeed is the third day for the soul of the departed, and for this reason it especially needs prayers then for itself [4].

Then, having successfully passed through the toll-houses and bowed down before God, the soul for the course of 37 more days visits the heavenly habitations and the abysses of hell, not knowing yet where it will remain, and only on the fortieth day is its place appointed until the resurrection of the dead [5]. Some souls find themselves (after the forty days) in a condition of foretasting eternal joy and blessedness, and others in fear of the eternal torments which will come in full after the Last Judgment. Until then changes are possible in the condition of souls, especially through offering for them the Bloodless Sacrifice (commemoration at the Liturgy), and likewise by other prayers [6].

How important commemoration at the Liturgy is may be seen in the following occurrence: Before the uncovering of the relics of St. Theodosius of Chernigov (1896), the priest-monk (the renowned Starets Alexis of Goloseyevsky Hermitage, of the Kiev-Caves Lavra, who died in 1916) who was conducting the re-vesting of the relics, becoming weary while sitting by the relics, dozed off and saw before him the Saint, who told him: "I thank you for laboring with me. I beg you also, when you will serve the Liturgy, to commemorate my parents" � and he gave their names (Priest Nikita and Maria). "How can you, O Saint, ask my prayers, when you yourself stand at the heavenly Throne and grant to people God's mercy?" the priest-monk asked. "Yes, that is true," replied St. Theodosius, "but the offering at the Liturgy is more powerful than my prayer."

Therefore, panikhidas (i.e., Trisagion Prayers for the Dead) and prayer at home for the dead are beneficial to them, as are good deeds done in their memory, such as alms or contributions to the church. But especially beneficial for them is commemoration at the Divine Liturgy. There have been many appearances of the dead and other occurrences which confirm how beneficial is the commemoration of the dead. Many who died in repentance, but who were unable to manifest this while they were alive, have been freed from tortures and have obtained repose. In the Church prayers are ever offered for the repose of the dead, and on the day of the Descent of the Holy Spirit, in the kneeling prayers at vespers, there is even a special petition "for those in hell."

Every one of us who desires to manifest his love for the dead and give them real help, can do this best of all through prayer for them, and particularly by commemorating them at the Liturgy, when the particles which are cut out for the living and the dead are let fall into the Blood of the Lord with the words: "Wash away, O Lord, the sins of those here commemorated by Thy Precious Blood and by the prayers of Thy saints." We can do nothing better or greater for the dead than to pray for them, offering commemoration for them at the Liturgy. Of this they are always in need, and especially during those forty days when the soul of the deceased is proceeding on its path to the eternal habitations. The body feels nothing then: it does not see its close ones who have assembled, does not smell the fragrance of the flowers, does not hear the funeral orations. But the soul senses the prayers offered for it and is grateful to those who make them and is spiritually close to them.

O relatives and close ones of the dead! Do for them what is needful for them and within your power. Use your money not for outward adornment of the coffin and grave, but in order to help those in need, in memory of your close ones who have died, for churches, where prayers for them are offered. Show mercy to the dead, take care of their souls [7]. Before us all stands the same path, and how we shall then wish that we would be remembered in prayer! Let us therefore be ourselves merciful to the dead. As soon as someone has reposed, immediately call or inform a priest, so he can read the Prayers appointed to be read over all Orthodox Christians after death. Try, if it be possible, to have the funeral in Church and to have the Psalter read over the deceased until the funeral. Most definitely arrange at once for the serving of the forty-day memorial, that is, daily commemoration at the Liturgy for the course of forty days. (NOTE: If the funeral is in a church where there are no daily services, the relatives should take care to order the forty-day memorial wherever there are daily services.) It is likewise good to send contributions for commemoration to monasteries, as well as to Jerusalem, where there is constant prayer at the holy places. Let us take care for those who have departed into the other world before us, in order to do for them all that we can, remembering that "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy."


I hope this answers some of your concerns. The Toll House teachings are a volitile subject amongst many Orthodox, and I really don't want to open up a needless debate.

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To further illustrate the difference, Blessed Seraphim of Platina is now being put forth for canonization, whilst Lev Puhalo has been defrocked for heresy, and now is exiled in Canada.

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I've thought a lot about what happens after death, especially a few years ago when I watched a loved one going through the dying process. I think that there are some things we mortals cannot know, and that includes the fine details of what happens after our deaths. I just know that there's heaven and hell, and I can only pray God in His mercy will save me from the latter.

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AFAIK this is doctrine on both sides:

You die. There is a particular judgement, then heaven, hell or the intermediate state. You can ask the prayers of those in heaven and help those in the intermediate state with your prayers and the prayers of those in heaven. Then the Second Coming, reunion of your restored body with your soul, and final judgement; after that only heaven or hell. (Throw in a tweak for the Orthodox, who AFAIK say at least as an opinion that both heaven and hell have intermediate states where many people end up. I maintain that 'praying people out of hell' even in this form is problematic.)

That's it.

The rest on either side - toll-houses, limbo, purgatorial fire, hell is hot, hell is cold - is only speculation. Take what's good for you and leave the rest. If you like the toll-houses, fine; if not don't worry about it.

I liked Fr Seraphim's science-fiction-like (I'm not being sarcastic) description of these states as places but in different dimensions from ours. (I'm also fine with calling them states of being.) So hell could be in the centre of the earth only we can't usually see it and the aerial realm, where the particular judgement happens, in the same space as our air but normally invisible to us.

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You know, I find the anti-papal and anti-western venom of the Russians to be particularly sad inasmuch as you seem to want nothing to do with anything of what the Catholic Faith teaches. The whole attitude I seem to get is that the Western Church is simply steeped in error, has absolutely no truth in it whatsoever, and therefore is not even to be considered as a source of possible truth.

I think this attitude is called "triumphalism" , n'est ce pas???

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Yes, it's triumphalism and tends to be what Fr Seraphim's fans (but not all of them! [chattablogs.com]) believe. To be fair Fr S used some old Roman Catholic sources to write another book, Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future, in which he refuted Hinduism and New Age teachings.

And Russians in the 19th-century tradition, like St Tikhon with his friendship with the Episcopal Church's Bishop of Fond du Lac, tended to be not at all as venomous to other Christians as some of the doxer-than-thou stuff you find among converts including online. (Then-ROCOR first hierarch Metropolitan Anastassy once preached at St Paul's Cathedral in London. Imagine the online shrieks that would get now.) They seemed to have the knack of incorporating a lot of Western Catholic stuff, from scholasticism to music and architecture, without it looking like a compromise or tasteless add-on to their tradition.

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