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At my OCA parish, and a few others I've been to, there is a custom of after taking communion, to take a little sip of wine and take a piece of bread.

The priest said it's called sapivka (or sapifka?) He said it's a Carpathian custom but I never saw it at any Ruthenian BCC parish.

I'm trying to find something about it on the net, but not sure if I'm spelling it right. Can someone help me out with this?

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We share the blessed bread after the completion of the Divine Liturgy.

I find the above statement by KO63AP very offensive and not at all in keeping with the spirit of this forum. I mean do you really want to have a conversation or are you just looking to get some digs in. I am sorry!

We are Ruthenian serving in a Melkite Parish, and I seriously doubt that is ever given consideration.

We do it at the UGCC that I attend. Also we did it when I went to the Ruthenian Mission in St. Louis as well. No wine though, just the bread.

In fact, during Divine Liturgy, my son Dominic kept asking "When do we get the bread?"

Poor little guy had to wait 2 to 2 1/2 hours since we had the Blessing of the Waters!

BTW, it is customary in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church to distribute blessed water, not bread or antidoron. (They may do both in certain areas, although I have only seen the water.) I found that very interesting...

Gordo

Mirovanije is only done on the 12 major feast days in the Rusyn tradition. This would be done after Liturgy concludes and where one gets the blessed bread and has the blessed oil distributed on his forehead.
Otherwise I have seen blessed bread being handed out after the Liturgy when the faithful are coming foreward to kiss the priest's hand and handcross.
But I am not sure about the notion of wine and blessed bread being distributed after-Communion being a Rusyn practice. I have my conclusions on this, but without solid evidence I shall wait for someone to give us an answer.

This must be one of the differences between the Greek Catholic and Orthodox Rusyn Traditions. I know that in Europe, Zapivka was the norm at every liturgy.

Alexandr

Thanks Alex. I was able to find info with the correct spelling you posted.

We have both wine and bread after communion and bread when kissing the priest hand every liturgy at the Russian centre in Melbourne; bread and wine after communion is not done in many bigger churches I have attended including some russian orthodox churches. Since we have very few coming to the centre, my theory is the bigger the congregation the more of a logistical issue it is, but I could be wrong.

By the way, in the old days when laity only recieved the host in the latin rite, the server was given unconsecrated wine after reciveing the host.

Ned

Most Byzantine Catholics I have associated with follow that custom.
Stephanos I

We do it in our church, Holy Trinity Russian Orthodox Church" ( ROCOR ) in Toronto

Z Bohom
Unworthy
Nycholaij

It's mostly the Russian Catholics that have a tradition of blessed bread (antiphoron) and blessed wine to consume after taking Holy Communion.

I don't remember that being done at St. Michael's church in New York. But I do know it happens at the Russicum when I was there.

Apparently they do the zapivka at St. Elias UGCC near Toronto.

Here's what their website says about it:


can be found at: http://www.saintelias.com/ca/liturgy/communion.php
(at the bottom of the page)

Herb

Hello all.

After doing a search on Zapivka, I found that it was discussed here a few years ago. Heres the thread.

https://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=60452&page=0&fpart=1

Dear Pani Rose,

I will confess that I should have written 'most' instead of 'any' � one can always find exceptions. But I see no need to withdraw what I see as the 'measuring stick' (even though my post has been deleted without any prior notice).

I am deeply offended by many things which do (and do not) happen in many EC parishes (both BCC and UGCC) � and 'not in the spirit of' the countless encyclicals, instructions, etc. coming from the Vatican.

Many people use Catholic-ness as their 'measuring stick', but not 'catholic' as in 'universal' but the common understanding of the word around the globe: Roman Catholic. One can often hear another version of this: "We don't/can't do that � it's what the Orthodox do." This comment is even more absurd when spoken in an EC parish that looks just like an Orthodox one, have just attended a service identical to an Orthodox one, lead by a priest vested just like an Orthodox priest. I was too shocked to laugh. TBH, I nearly cried.

This lack of clear identity and second-guessing the Vatican (but only when it suits them) is slowly killing many EC parishes. There are plenty examples of 'orthodox' parishes thriving and �ber-Catholic parishes withering away. Watered down Eastern Catholicism is like slightly spiced Roman Catholicism, the watered down ECs (or their children) will eventually become RCs. That's one problem solved�