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The thread "New Liturgy is Promulgated" has a link to a copy of Bishop John of Parma's own letter supporting the promulgation in detail for his eparchy. The 3 page read should also give others in the metropolia an indication of what may be coming their way as well, depending on episcopal approval.

Besides the service book and the liturgikons, what is going to happen with the Presanctified Liturgy? It is not in the new books, but will require revision in order to agree with the translations of the creed, etc.

Do you have a new book (or know someone who does) to be sure it is not in there?

Prof. Thompson is coming to the St. Stephen's pro-cathedral in Phoenix next Saturday, Feb. 3rd, to lead a session on the new service book from 9 to 4. The session is on rather short notice, but that was unavoidable at this point. My own parish is widely publicizing this session, encouraging everyone to attend if possible. The more people who get to work with the new pew book firsthand, the more likely we can address questions back at the parish effectively, I think.

Professor Thompson is a regular reader and poster on this Forum. I'm sure that he can set the record straight as to his qualifications, as well as who sang for the tapes/CDs.

When possible, one should try to get the facts from the source.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

The only reason I am even answering this is to demonstrate how much inaccurate information shows up on the Forum, claiming to be fact.

I am not--I have never been--a priest in the Roman Catholic Church.

The choir that did the compact discs for the recording of "The Divine Liturgies of our holy fathers John Chrysostom and Basil the Great" is the Schola Cantorum of Saint Peter the Apostle. That choir is not a Roman Catholic choir, either--it is a professional choral ensemble. The Schola (which I direct) was selected by the Inter-Eparchial Music Commission to do the recording of the prostopinije because (1) the choir has extensive experience singing prostopinije and (2) they had the ability to do the massive amount of recording in a limited amount of time.

The Schola was also selected by the committee which created the Ukrainian Cathoic "The Divine Liturgy: An Anthology for Worship" to record THEIR teaching recordings to accompany their book. THe Schola's track record stands for itself.

The fathers of the church exhort us, in our interactions with each other, to constantly seek to put the best construction on every situation. It is disheartening to see people making untrue or unsubstantiated statements without first trying to discern the truth.

I am happy to say that quite a few calls have already come in from priests and cantors about how helpful they find the compact discs to be.

Prof. J. Michael Thompson
Byzantine CAtholic Seminary
Pittsburgh, PA

Glory to Jesus Christ!

In response to Jim's post:

The Divine Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts (and all of its attendant propers) has been translated by the Inter-Eparchial Liturgical Commission. The Inter-Eparchial Music Commission has not yet begun work on the LPG.

Prof. J. Michael Thompson
Byzantine Catholic Seminary
Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpt from www.litpress.org. [litpress.org.]

..."Schola Cantorum of St. Peter the Apostle; J. Michael Thompson, Director

The Schola Cantorum of St. Peter the Apostle (formerly the Schola Cantorum of St. Peter's-in-the-Loop), Chicago, Illinois, sang for the first time on the Feast of Saints Peter and Paul in 1988 at Solemn Evening Prayer. Since that first service, the men and women of the Schola have sung for Solemn Eucharists, Solemn Evening Prayer, Communal Penance Services, weddings, priest's first Masses, simple and solemn professions, oridinations to the diaconate and priesthood, and various other services. Made up of professionally trained musicians the Schola is dedicated to the principles enshrined in the documents of the Second Vatican Council as elaborated by the Bihops' Commission on Liturgy to lead the faithful in the singing of the Eucharist and the Liturgy of Hours, to preserve the treasury of sacred music, and to enlarge the repertory of choral music."...

Ungcertezs

I would also like to remind folks that the MCI website already has audio recordings of the music for the new service book available to listen to. For those who do not yet have the CDs or the books themselves, this can be very helpful in determining what is in store.

Prof. Thompson,

Thank you for the clarification that you were never a Roman Catholic priest. I for one would have been very surprised if that were true.

I seem to remember you in other jurisdictions, maybe you could clarify these.

Were you ever a priest in the American Carpatho Russian Orthodox Dioscese of the U.S.A.?

and,

Were you ever a priest under Bishop Germain of l'ECOF?


Thanks in advance for clarifying my memory. I'll await your answer and in the meantime look for any documentation I have regarding these two questions to confirm that my memory is correct.

Monomakh

I object to the 'witch hunt' atmosphere that is growing around here.

The professor dismissed an unsubstantiated attribution about his background in the Latin church. That was the complaint, whatever else he has done or has not done is immaterial. There are very few among us who have not been on a spiritual journey of one sort or another, and the man's talent is awesome!

Let us please allow this man some personal space, he is committed to the Ruthenian Metropolia, these days a more and more thankless task. What more could anyone really ask?

I for one am becoming more amazed that anyone would work so hard for the BCC anymore, the backbiting is ferocious. There is no hidden agenda, everyone is doing the best they can under the circumstances. Pray for those who serve the church.

Pray for the priests, pray for the seminary, pray for each other and yes, pray for the bishops and the professionals who assist them.

Michael

Michael,

I second that. Thank you!

+3. There are a lot of things I find objectionable about the alleged translation. Nevertheless - and I don't mean to single anyone out - I think there's been a bit of hysteria in a lot of the threads in this sub-forum. This is especially true when we start talking about personalities.


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Originally posted by Michael R:
"My priest said last night that he is upset. That all the priests are upset. I do not know this Professor Thompson but my priest told me that he is a former Roman Catholic priest. So it is clericalism all the way around. Why did the bishops hire a former Roman Catholic priest to be in charge of our music? My priest also told me that the bishops hired a Roman Catholic choir from Chicago to make the tapes of how to sing the New Divine Liturgy. Why are the bishops bringing in Roman Catholics to teach Byzantine Catholics how to sing? I guess that shows that the bishops think that Roman Catholics are better. We sing very well in my parish thank you. "

Though tonight your priest now indicates he learned of PROF Thompson's past with the Johnstown Orthodox Diocese. Your priest, like many on this board unfortunately repeated incorrect information without bothering to verify it. It is such behaviour that has fueled such distrust and disagreement within our church. In this age of instant communication such misinformation spread about carelessly while not slanderous in intent has the same effect upon the individual as delliberate slander. Once slander gets out, it becomes harder to rectify the slander even when evidence clearly shows the misinformation.

While we have dislikes, disagreements, and discussions about the "RDL","NDL","revisionist" liturgy here, we should not use it as a platform for scapegoating or defamation.

Mr Petach,

I would suggest that before you go spouting off about defamation and legalities, maybe you should do some of that research you so freely tell others to do. A quick look at the ACRY Annual for 1988 would show you that now MR J Michael Thompson was a priest of ACROD assigned to two different parishes. If you would like more I will be able to get someone that is more technologically savvy to make an electronic copy for posting.

The Insider