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Anglicanism is resilient; it has ridden out other crises that in their time looked irreconcilable. We shall see what happens this time.
Meanwhile, though, it seems questionable to assert that "it is not meant to be" that Anglicanism should be reconciled with the fullness of the Church. That is surely the Lord's intention for everyone.
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Meanwhile, though, it seems questionable to assert that "it is not meant to be" that Anglicanism should be reconciled with the fullness of the Church. That is surely the Lord's intention for everyone.
Fr. Serge " For human beings it is impossible, but not for God. All things are possible for God. " Mark 10:27
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FYI y'all: the Archbishop of Uganda is to speak at First Presbyterian( Chattanooga) in the near future. if I had a chance to ask him a couple of questions, I would ask about possible rapproachment with Rome or Constantinople. with a little bit of luck and the fact that a cousin of mine happens to be a ruling elder at First (how convenient), I might just have that chance.
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John,
I would be quite interested to hear his response to your questions. Please post if you are able.
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John,
I would be quite interested to hear his response to your questions. Please post if you are able.
Jason Me too !
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Pani Rose:
This is a preposterous statement!
In my own Diocese of Mississippi I would be surprised if we lose more than one priest. As a matter of fact, in the last several years we have received a number of RC deacons and priests.
In my conversations with classmates and other friends throughout the US, your quote from the unidentified priest just doesn't shake out.
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Statistics seem to support Fr. Mike. Roman Catholics who choose to withdraw from that judicatory very often join the Episcopal Church, and so do Roman Catholic clergy who prefer to withdraw from Roman Catholicism.
Anglicans, who have a well-earned reputation for good manners, do not as a rule make a ballyhoo over every convert they receive. A human being should not be waved around like a football trophy, and spiritual decisions are often agonizing and the details are best kept among God, one's spiritual advisors, and oneself.
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I have often heard Anglicans/Episcopalians lament that in the context of conversions Rome gets the best of their flock whilst they get the worst of hers.
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Statistics seem to support Fr. Mike. Roman Catholics who choose to withdraw from that judicatory very often join the Episcopal Church, and so do Roman Catholic clergy who prefer to withdraw from Roman Catholicism.
Anglicans, who have a well-earned reputation for good manners, do not as a rule make a ballyhoo over every convert they receive. A human being should not be waved around like a football trophy, and spiritual decisions are often agonizing and the details are best kept among God, one's spiritual advisors, and oneself.
Fr. Serge I'd have to agree with Fr. Serge. The Anglo-Catholic parish that I am currently frequenting has quite a few ex-Catholics judging from some of the people I've met and have talked to at the coffee hour. John K
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We were talking with a former Episcopal priest the other day. I say former since he will come into the Roman Catholic Church on Pascha this year. He said that the priests are falling rapidly. That soon there will be no, or very few priests left in the Anglican or Episcopalian Church. They are all going Catholic or Orthodox, but not staying put.
Pani Rose I have to agree with Fr. Mike's response to this statement. In Canada, there is no sign of this at all. The 2 Anglican seminaries in Toronto are attracting students. There are also other Anglican theological Colleges accross the country. No signs at all of mass conversions or of priests/ministers leaving and joining the ranks of the RC Church. We have to be careful is making such generalized statements.
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We were talking with a former Episcopal priest the other day. I say former since he will come into the Roman Catholic Church on Pascha this year. He said that the priests are falling rapidly. That soon there will be no, or very few priests left in the Anglican or Episcopalian Church. They are all going Catholic or Orthodox, but not staying put.
Pani Rose I have to agree with Fr. Mike's response to this statement. In Canada, there is no sign of this at all. The 2 Anglican seminaries in Toronto are attracting students. There are also other Anglican theological Colleges accross the country. No signs at all of mass conversions or of priests/ministers leaving and joining the ranks of the RC Church. We have to be careful is making such generalized statements. The parish that I am frequenting has 5 or 6 seminarian interns who are studying at the Berkley Divinity School at Yale. There doesn't seem to be a shortage. Other than the "Connecticut Six" who are now actually the "Connecticut Five" no one seems to be running for the door.
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I have often heard Anglicans/Episcopalians lament that in the context of conversions Rome gets the best of their flock whilst they get the worst of hers. Which reminds me of Fr. Alvin Kimel, blogosphere's famous "Pontificator" who: . . . was a parish priest in the Episcopal Church for twenty-five years. He has published articles in the Anglican Theological Review, Sewanee Theological Review, Interpretation, Scottish Journal of Theology, Worship, Faith & Philosophy, Pro Ecclesia, and First Things. He has also edited two books: Speaking the Christian God and This is My Name Forever. He began Pontifications in March 2004 as a way to reflect on the meaning of the Church and to invite others to share in these reflections. In June 2005 he entered into full communion with the Catholic Church. On 3 December 2006 he was ordained a priest in the Catholic Church. He is currently serving as the lay Catholic chaplain at Kean University in Union, New Jersey. His long and arduous journey was read by many on his "Pontifications," culminating in Fr. Kimel's choosing the Catholic Church: http://catholica.pontifications.net/index.php?cat=12&paged=3Another would be the former Anglican Bishop of London, now Monsignor Graham Leonard, who caused quite a stir when he converted to the Catholic Church in 1994. He freely accepted Rome's stance that he could not be ordained as a Catholic Bishop because he was, and still is, married. There are inklings that the Monsignor might be elevated to the episcopacy (or even to the Cardinalate) once he is widowed. http://www.ad2000.com.au/articles/2002/mar2002p8_938.html
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I have often heard Anglicans/Episcopalians lament that in the context of conversions Rome gets the best of their flock whilst they get the worst of hers. Which reminds me of Fr. Alvin Kimel, blogosphere's famous "Pontificator" who: . . . was a parish priest in the Episcopal Church for twenty-five years. He has published articles in the Anglican Theological Review, Sewanee Theological Review, Interpretation, Scottish Journal of Theology, Worship, Faith & Philosophy, Pro Ecclesia, and First Things. He has also edited two books: Speaking the Christian God and This is My Name Forever. He began Pontifications in March 2004 as a way to reflect on the meaning of the Church and to invite others to share in these reflections. In June 2005 he entered into full communion with the Catholic Church. On 3 December 2006 he was ordained a priest in the Catholic Church. He is currently serving as the lay Catholic chaplain at Kean University in Union, New Jersey. His long and arduous journey was read by many on his "Pontifications," culminating in Fr. Kimel's choosing the Catholic Church: http://catholica.pontifications.net/index.php?cat=12&paged=3Another would be the former Anglican Bishop of London, now Monsignor Graham Leonard, who caused quite a stir when he converted to the Catholic Church in 1994. He freely accepted Rome's stance that he could not be ordained as a Catholic Bishop because he was, and still is, married. There are inklings that the Monsignor might be elevated to the episcopacy (or even to the Cardinalate) once he is widowed. http://www.ad2000.com.au/articles/2002/mar2002p8_938.htmlWho's to say that his Grace's wife won't outlive her husband? 
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I have often heard Anglicans/Episcopalians lament that in the context of conversions Rome gets the best of their flock whilst they get the worst of hers. Which reminds me of Fr. Alvin Kimel, blogosphere's famous "Pontificator" who: . . . was a parish priest in the Episcopal Church for twenty-five years. He has published articles in the Anglican Theological Review, Sewanee Theological Review, Interpretation, Scottish Journal of Theology, Worship, Faith & Philosophy, Pro Ecclesia, and First Things. He has also edited two books: Speaking the Christian God and This is My Name Forever. He began Pontifications in March 2004 as a way to reflect on the meaning of the Church and to invite others to share in these reflections. In June 2005 he entered into full communion with the Catholic Church. On 3 December 2006 he was ordained a priest in the Catholic Church. He is currently serving as the lay Catholic chaplain at Kean University in Union, New Jersey. His long and arduous journey was read by many on his "Pontifications," culminating in Fr. Kimel's choosing the Catholic Church: http://catholica.pontifications.net/index.php?cat=12&paged=3Another would be the former Anglican Bishop of London, now Monsignor Graham Leonard, who caused quite a stir when he converted to the Catholic Church in 1994. He freely accepted Rome's stance that he could not be ordained as a Catholic Bishop because he was, and still is, married. There are inklings that the Monsignor might be elevated to the episcopacy (or even to the Cardinalate) once he is widowed. http://www.ad2000.com.au/articles/2002/mar2002p8_938.htmlWho's to say that his Grace's wife won't outlive her husband? You are not the only who has caught this dilemma!  When these rumors were let go flying recently, exactly the same question as yours immediately cropped up!
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fear not, I have EVERY intention of asking his excellency those questions, I can't WAIT for his arrival in Chattanooga.
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