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I like Frederica Mathewes- Green approach to abortion discussions, and perhaps it would be successful in the contraception issue. She suggests really listening to pro choicers and acknowledging their very real concerns instead of placing all the emphasis on the child. this isn't to trivialize the child's stake in all this, but the very people that need to be reached turn off when they feel their concerns are being ignored; especially by people who have never been in their shoes before or who were but were in much better emotional, financial, relationship positions. I suspect the same dynamic is going on between pro and anti contraception camps.

Peace,
Indigo

http://www.frederica.com/writings/from-pro-choice-to-pro-life.html

Zenovia,

What on earth are you talking about?

Zenovia, this reasoning is very, very, confused. What you're saying is that if people hadn't opposed abortion so strongly, then the "abortion rights" groups would not have promoted their agenda so strongly?

This is absurd. "Abortion rights" groups had wanted legalized abortion-on-demand long before Roe, and when they got it, they were committed to keeping it. If there hadn't been any opposition, then we would simply have . . . legalized abortion on demand, which is exactly what we have anyway. You're trying to tell me that there wouldn't be abortion if it weren't for the pro-life movement? Nonsense.

Young girls who are pregnant do not "require" abortion. This is just another lie that elites in our society tell us.

At the end of the day, the simple truth is that you cannot honestly and legitimately blame the promoters of morality and truth for the fact that our social mores are dictated to us by evil liars who hate God and man. The elites who gave us abortion-on-demand (preceded, of course, by 40 years of widespread contraception) wanted to give it to us no matter what. There is no evidence whatsoever that the pro-life movement (or the Catholic Church) were somehow responsible. I must say I have never seen such muddy reasoning in all my life. For a society to tolerate legalized abortion in clean medical facilities is much more perverse than for abortion to take place illegally in back alleys. Abortion is the kind of evil that Christian society has never seen fit to tolerate for any reason whatsoever.

Thank God for the fact that there are some high-profile groups left who are willing to call good good and evil evil. As for the people who do otherwise . . .

--latintrad

I think the last post is correct: Pregnancy that threatens the life of the mother is exceedingly rare in 21st century America, so even if you were inclined to support such an exception for argument's sake, you are still left with the observation that abortion is an elective procedure in the most "elective" of terms.

Christians are no strangers to living in societies where the laws do not reflect their morality. Unfortunately, it has gone with the turf of being Christian since the earliest times. So when you have the right to vote, then you've got to use it.

And unless and until the law of the land is changed, it is up to all of us to help provide women who feel alone and frightened the help they need to be able to choose life confidently.

All I know right now is that I won't be voting for anyone who does not share or who has not shown a record of openness to my viewpoint. There are so many hats in the ring, but eventually there will be two. I hope there is one I can claim as my candidate at that point. If not, I'll be looking behind door number three.

The reason the pro-choice movement was so strong by the time Roe vs. Wade came about is Margaret Sanger's promotion of the eugenics movement in the US starting in the 1920s. Combined with wide availability of The Pill, which she recruited leaders of the black community to promote in their spheres of influence and led other campaigns to use against society's "undesirables," we became a society whereby a baby was viewed as a potential problem and not a blessing. Our government got rid of Hitler, but enshrined Margaret Sanger and her "planned parenthood."

Dear Wondering,

I recall the circumstances when Roe vs. Wade was first passed. The motivation was purely racist. The blacks were having too many children, and it began to frighten people.

At the time I was serving on the grand jury. Outside in the street, there were black speakers telling their people that the bill was passed in order for them to have less children, and that they should have as many children as possible in order to gain political advantage.

I find it ironic that Margaret Sanger a Jew, would emphasize the same movement that would end up destroying the Jews in Europe. As for the pill, I believe it came about in the 1960's?

God Bless,

Zenovia