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Today the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the Federal ban against partial-birth abortion as a procedure, with Catholic senior Associate Justice Kennedy writing the majority opinion and concurred in by the other 4 Catholic justices: Chief Justice John Roberts and Associate Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, and Samuel Alito! ! !

The review of the historical Roe v. Wade (1973) is still far away, perhaps, but this bodes well for those in the pro-life trenches fighting for the "culture of life" that the Catholic Church has espoused for time immemorial. In this decision, the "sanctity of life" came to the fore!

Thanks be to God for the 5 Catholic Justices of the U.S. Supreme Court in deciding the twin cases, appealed by certiorari, which is based on a clear Catholic understanding of the value of life.


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It boggles the mind that some people would condone partial birth abortion.

The most absurd thing is that these are the same people who are going crazy over the dying Polar Bears.

I guess it is only OK to destroy human life.


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What was the explanation for the minority opinion?

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Here is Justice Ginsberg in one of the minority opinions. My comments are in brackets.

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In reaffirming Roe, the Casey Court described the centrality of �the decision whether to bear ... a child,� Eisenstadt v. Baird, 405 U.S. 438, 453, 92 S.Ct. 1029, 31 L.Ed.2d 349 (1972), [this case made it a Constitutional right to purchase contraception--the Consitution says no such thing--Paul VI said that if you have contraception, abortion is sure to follow] to a woman's �dignity and autonomy,� her �personhood� [and what about the personhood of the child in utero] and �destiny,� her �conception of ... her place in society.� 505 U.S., at 851-852. [this is a rejection of her place in communion not at war with Adam] Of signal importance here, the Casey Court stated with unmistakable clarity that state regulation of access to abortion procedures, even after viability, must protect �the health of the woman.� Id., at 846. [in Casey

*31 Seven years ago, in Stenberg v. Carhart, 530 U.S. 914, 120 S.Ct. 2597, 147 L.Ed.2d 743 (2000), the Court invalidated a Nebraska statute criminalizing the performance of a medical procedure that, in the political arena, has been dubbed �partial-birth abortion.� [dubbed--smashing the skull of an infant as its being born is being dubbed]FN1 With fidelity to the Roe- Casey [In Casey we were given pure blasphemy -- "At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life."] line of precedent, the Court held the Nebraska statute unconstitutional in part because it lacked the requisite protection for the preservation of a woman's health. [ie it didn't allow abortion at any time] Stenberg, 530 U.S., at 930; cf. Ayotte v. Planned Parenthood of Northern New Eng., 546 U.S. 320, 327, 126 S.Ct. 961, 163 L.Ed.2d 812 (2006).


FN1. The term �partial-birth abortion� is neither recognized in the medical literature nor used by physicians who perform second-trimester abortions. [ritht it should be called by its proper term--murder] See Planned Parenthood Federation of Am. v. Ashcroft, 320 F.Supp.2d 957, 964 (N.D.Cal.2004), aff'd, 435 F.3d 1163 (C.A.9 2006). The medical community refers to the procedure as either dilation & extraction (D & X) or intact dilation and evacuation (intact D & E) [facny words for murder]. See, e.g., ante, at 5; Stenberg v. Carhart, 530 U.S. 914, 927, 120 S.Ct. 2597, 147 L.Ed.2d 743 (2000).


*31 Today's decision is alarming [it is very alarming when babies aren't allowed to be killed when they see the light of the day]. It refuses to take Casey and Stenberg seriously [yep--cause they shouldn't be taken seriously]. It tolerates [that most supreme virtue in modern America is now called into question], indeed applauds, federal intervention to ban nationwide a procedure found necessary and proper in certain cases by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG). It blurs the line [the penumbras perhaps which have been emanating from the Constitution], firmly drawn in Casey, between previability and postviability abortions. And, for the first time since Roe, the Court blesses [what a blessing to stop a child from being brutally murdered] a prohibition with no exception safeguarding a woman's health.

*32 I dissent from the Court's disposition. Retreating from prior rulings that abortion restrictions cannot be imposed absent an exception safeguarding a woman's health, the Court upholds an Act that surely would not survive under the close scrutiny that previously attended state-decreed limitations on a woman's reproductive choices [what about a woman's nutritional rights--how will you protect those].

Here you have the modern American feminist agenda laid out so perfectly. Frifhtening isn't it?

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It is frightening. It reads to me like politics in favor of not giving any concessions for the restriction of abortion because it might lead to more restrictions. I would expect that from a pro-choice legislator (or a Planned Parenthood spokesman), but not from a judge.

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I would expect that from a pro-choice legislator (or a Planned Parenthood spokesman), but not from a judge.

From a Justice in this case. But justice is a virtue, and when it does not inhere in judges, there is a vacuum for other things and there is no sound judgment.

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Abortion may become one of the more important issues in the 2008 U.S. presidential elections.

True to form, the 3 leading candidates of the Democratic Party (Clinton, Edwards, and Obama) assailed the decision of the U.S. Supreme Court as an infringement of a woman's consitutional right to choose as enshrined in the Roe v. Wade of 1973, notwithstanding the fact that the decision focused only on one procedure, considered by the Highest Court of the land as "infanticide" and the fact that the Federal law ban on partial-birth abortion was passed by a bi-partisan Congress in 2003.

On the other hand, all the leading candidates of the Republican Party (McCain, Romney, Brownback) agreed with the decision and praised the Supreme Court for saying what partial-birth abortion really is: a barbaric act that offends basic human decency.

And, here's the surprise: former Mayor Giuliani seems to have change his stance as he also agrees with the Supreme Court decision!

Full story at:

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=9155

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Abortion may become one of the more important issues in the 2008 U.S. presidential elections.

True to form, the 3 leading candidates of the Democratic Party (Clinton, Edwards, and Obama) assailed the decision of the U.S. Supreme Court as an infringement of a woman's consitutional right to choose as enshrined in the Roe v. Wade of 1973, notwithstanding the fact that the decision focused only on one procedure, considered by the Highest Court of the land as "infanticide" and the fact that the Federal law ban on partial-birth abortion was passed by a bi-partisan Congress in 2003.

On the other hand, all the leading candidates of the Republican Party (McCain, Romney, Brownback) agreed with the decision and praised the Supreme Court for saying what partial-birth abortion really is: a barbaric act that offends basic human decency.

And, here's the surprise: former Mayor Giuliani seems to have change his stance as he also agrees with the Supreme Court decision!

Full story at:

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=9155

Of course he changed his stance. He wants the Republican nomination. George Bush Sr. did the same. If you look carefully at what Guliani says though, he really hasn't changed his stance that much. He just thinks that the court decision was good. And keep in mind that the decision only bans a specific procedure. It fully leaves open the possibility that the doctor can kill the child in the womb and then deliver it. It is only if the child is partially delivered that the procedure of crushing the head of the live infant is prohibited. So, really, it is a minor victory. I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but I just don't have much confidence that we who are pro-life will win in this culture. Perhaps, it is a defect in my own character; my own lack of faith.

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This from the article:

"Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R), and current Republican front runner has not been shy about his support for abortion. Yet the Republican and social liberal announced on Wednesday that he agreed with the partial birth ban. �The Supreme Court reached the correct conclusion in upholding the congressional ban on partial birth abortion,� Giuliani said in a statement on the 5�4 decision. �I agree with it.�"

Note, that he says that he agrees with the decision, not that he agrees with banning partial birth abortion. Rudi Giuliani has not indicated that he has changed his position at all. He simply thinks that the court made a judicially correct decision. The article is misleading when it says that he agrees with a partial birth abortion ban. I see no indication that if he were president, he would not veto a partial birth abortion ban bill or other restrictions. Yet, he is going to adjust his rhetoric and tactics in order to dupe pro-life people into voting for him. And apparently, he is significantly ahead in the polls among Republicans and there are indications that many evangelicals may vote for him in spite of his pro abortion views ("because he is a good leader,").

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To all pro-lifers who have followed these twin cases as they were debated in the lower courts, the Supreme Court decision to uphold the partial-birth abortion ban is monumental as it opens a crack on the armor of pro-abortion groups provided by Roe v. Wade (1973) for 34 long years!

It could be only considered relatively "minor" by many but it is critical in our fight against the culture of death that now pervades our society.

We have to start somewhere and, by divine providence perhaps, we got a "conservative" Supreme Court (read 5 Catholic Justices forming as a majority, thanks to Pres. Bush) which turned the tide in our favor as we had fervently hoped for!

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To all pro-lifers who have followed these twin cases as they were debated in the lower courts, the Supreme Court decision to uphold the partial-birth abortion ban is monumental as it opens a crack on the armor of pro-abortion groups provided by Roe v. Wade (1973) for 34 long years!

It could be only considered relatively "minor" by many but it is critical in our fight against the culture of death that now pervades our society.

We have to start somewhere and, by divine providence perhaps, we got a "conservative" Supreme Court (read 5 Catholic Justices forming as a majority, thanks to Pres. Bush) which turned the tide in our favor as we had fervently hoped for!

Yes, as I said. My pessimism is likely my own lack of faith.

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I recieved the following note from a friend which I wanted to share with you:

First off, I would say that the Partial Birth Abortion Ban is probably misunderstood by many. The ban was a partial and limited ban on Partial Birth abortions (defining Partial Birth abortions as late term abortions. There is a DIFFERENT legal definition) Most people don't get this....I am in the process of explaining this to a group of women, who are doing a "happy dance" because they believe ALL second and third term abortions have been outlawed.....One procedure has been limited, not even deemed totally illegal. We still have other methods that can be used for second term abortions. And, the procedure that was banned even has an apparent loop hole......Even though some view this as a victory, Fr Euteneuer says that not one baby will be saved. So, before we do a "happy dance" we should clearly understand that the law HAS NOT outlawed second or third term abortions. I fear most believe that is what the law has done.

The law is a small step in right direction, but we have a LONG way to go. No babies are going to be saved yet. I hoped that this info would be presented on the forum and I haven't seen it yet.

If you're interested, you can read the two articles below which spell out the problems. Please know the second article is a pro-abortion article, which I am NOT supporting. The article does a good job at explaining what is still permitted under the law, which is why I have included it. Please exercise caution, the article is very disturbing.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=9145

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/04/19/MNGL2PB6GJ1.DTL


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Thanks for this additional clarification!

But I think the discussants in this thread very well know that what is being upheld by the Supreme Court is a ban on one particular abortive procedure: partial-birth abortion as defined in the 2003 Federal law.

However, we hope the ban may save one or more babies even though we are cognizant of the statistical fact that between 90% and 95% of abortions are still "legal" under Roe v. Wade.

We take what is providentially granted us by the U.S. Supreme Court any day!

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Have you heard Rosie O'Donnell's take on this?

She wants the 5 Catholic Justices off of the SC.

Former Catholics sometimes make the worst enemies of the Church! Our friends here who have become Orthodox notwithstanding. I'm talking about those who become atheistic or antagonistic the Church like Hitler or Luther.

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