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Pope warns Catholic politicians who back abortion
Wed May 9, 2007 8:46AM EDT
By Philip Pullella
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0956318820070509?feedType=RSS&rpc=22




ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE (Reuters) - Pope Benedict on Wednesday warned Catholic politicians they risked excommunication from the Church and should not receive communion if they support abortion.

It was the first time that the Pope, speaking to reporters aboard the plane taking him on a trip to Brazil, dealt in depth with a controversial topic that has come up in many countries, including the United States, Mexico, and Italy.

The Pope was asked whether he supported Mexican Church leaders threatening to excommunicate leftist parliamentarians who last month voted to legalize abortion in Mexico City.

"Yes, this excommunication was not an arbitrary one but is allowed by Canon (church) law which says that the killing of an innocent child is incompatible with receiving communion, which is receiving the body of Christ," he said.

"They (Mexican Church leaders) did nothing new, surprising or arbitrary. They simply announced publicly what is contained in the law of the Church... which expresses our appreciation for life and that human individuality, human personality is present from the first moment (of life)".

Under Church law, someone who knowingly does or backs something which the Church considers a grave sin, such as abortion, inflicts what is known as "automatic excommunication" on themselves.

The Pope said parliamentarians who vote in favor of abortion have "doubts about the value of life and the beauty of life and even a doubt about the future".

"Selfishness and fear are at the root of (pro-abortion) legislation," he said. "We in the Church have a great struggle to defend life...life is a gift not a threat."

"ALWAYS A GIFT"

The Pope's comments appear to raise the stakes in the debate over whether Catholic politicians can support abortion or gay marriage and still consider themselves proper Catholics.

In recent months, the Vatican has been accused of interference in Italy for telling Catholic lawmakers to oppose a draft law that would grant some rights to unwed and gay couples.

During the 2004 presidential election, the U.S. Catholic community was split over whether to support Democratic candidate John Kerry, himself a Catholic who backed abortion rights.

Some Catholics say they personally would not have an abortion but feel obliged to support a woman's right to choose.

But the Church, which teaches that life begins at the moment of conception and that abortion is murder, says Catholics cannot have it both ways.

"The Church says life is beautiful, it is not something to doubt but it is a gift even when it is lived in difficult circumstances. It is always a gift," the Pope said.

Only Cuba, Guyana and U.S. commonwealth Puerto Rico allow abortion on demand in Latin America. Many other countries in the region permit it in special cases, such as if the fetus has defects or if the mother's life is at risk.

Brazil, the world's most populous Catholic country, is mulling bringing the debate to a referendum.


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Hopefully, he will finally do something about this problem.

This is a step in the right direction.

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It's one of the 3 famous monickers that came out after his election as Pope. It is the most "endearing!"

"Papa Ratzi" was coined by the journalists.

But "God's Rottweiler" was presumed to have emanated from Catholic "liberals" and "dissenters."


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http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0956318820070509?feedType=RSS&rpc=22



Hopefully Ted Kennedy and John Kerry will be first grin


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"Crash and Kerry?"

Sorry . . .

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Hopefully some Orthodox bishops will step up to the plate as well.

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Sorry. I fail to be terribly excited about all this.

Just words.

When you take action, then the words begin to have meaning. I am not trying to be disrespectful of the Holy Father, but there have been a lot of words floating around in the last couple of decades, with no corresponding action

When I see about a dozen of the more rebellious bishops in America defrocked in the laicization ceremony and put to public shame, when I see the public censure and forced retirement of rebellious "theologians" who put out GARBAGE that is not in line with the teachings of the Church for 2 millenia, when I see a real, serious confrontation with the politicians instead of just more warnings, then I will rejoice and stand in line to defend the Holy Father and the Church for taking a stand.

Until then................

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Hopefully Ted Kennedy and John Kerry will be first

Yes, but do you honestly think they'll care?

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Of course--it will cost them votes!

Seriously, though, has anyone observed the dogged loyalty of Massachusetts Catholics to *their* Ted Kennedy? Start talking with them about his record and they just look at you funny, then as soon as you stop they go right back to singing his praises!


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Same problem in Pennsylvania. Pro-abort Democratic politicians in this state know they can count on the Catholic vote from Pittsburgh to "get them over the hump". What is it to go into a voting booth and pull the lever just because you have always done it this way with nary a thought about what you are voting for?

Honestly, I think that if the devil himself ran on the Democratic party ticket next election he would still carry Pittsburgh!!

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Sorry.

The Devil has registered himself permanently for political purposes here in NJ!
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