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Dear Jakub,

What are you talking about? We're having a great time! What's this about "ethnic pride?"

You mean like those people from Oklahoma?

Alex

I'm afraid that I must agree with Jakub and Western Orthodox. This has been a rather chilling reception for a new member. One would think that someone who comes from a minority branch of a Church would be made welcome by members of another minority branch of their Church. Sure we disagree alot, and sometimes even roll up our sleeves and go at it. But for charity's sake, let the new guy get accustomed to the Forum before we pull out the axes! LOL!! At any rate, I bid you welcome Western Orthodox, and look forward to learning more about the Western Rite, just as I have learned much about the Eastern Rites under the omophor of the Roman Patriarch.

Alexandr the Katsup

Thanks for the welcome, Alexandr. And I'm glad to see the other Alex sees he may have read something into the entry.

You won't hear a denunciation of Akathists from me! If you happen to have them in a file, I'd consider myself privileged if you'd PM them to me.

Fr. Stephen Walinski is a fine man; it's been too long since I've spoken with him. If you talk with him, send him my regards!

Can someone please translate this page into English?

That would be redundant, wouldn't it? But I have seen Orthodox refer to themselves as "Catholic-Orthodox", "Orthodox-Catholics", etc just as some ECs refer to themselves as "Orthodox in union with Rome". I've also heard of Anglicans who call themselves "Catholic but not Roman", etc.

As to Western Orthodoxy - do you have any correspondence with the various Western Orthodox parishes under the Oriental Orthodox jurisdictions? I know the Syriac, Coptic, and Indian Orthodox have some Western Rite parishes in Europe and the Americas; one Diocese in the UK is called the British Orthodox Church [britishorthodox.org] under the Coptic Pope.

Western Orthodox,

Welcome to the forum. Though it seems that you've entered the forum in a thread that has turned quite controversial, I want to say that I think that the Catholic and Orthodox brethren here are great people. I don't know that I have much to say on this topic since I think that the whole controversy is pointless. I think that there is enough room in this world for people to be what they want to be. If people want to be Eastern Catholic, then let them. If people want to be Western Orthodox, then let them. If people want to be Roman Catholic, then let them. If people want to be Eastern Orthodox, then let them.

My question for everyone is; what good does it do to the Gospel of Christ and the growth of his Church to wrangle over territory? Why not avoid making all the comparisons and just let Western Orthodox be who they are and let Eastern Catholics do the same? I am saying this to both my Catholic and Orthodox brethren. I realize that I am a convert to Orthodoxy and as American white-bread as they come, so I have no personal interest in any of the historic ethnic and political disputes. But, since we can't go back and change the past, why should we use it as a way to nurture bad feelings and prevent great unity and witness for the Gospel?

Joe

I received a quote of scripture from a very learned advisor for my relations with others...

38: John said to him, "Teacher, we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him, because he was not following us."
39: But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him; for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon after to speak evil of me.
40: For he that is not against us is for us

It is from the Gospel according to St. Mark chapter 9

I guess I have aquired a mindset from blessed Pope John Paul II...

james, who feels like Job lately...

Dear Western Orthodox,

Oh, all right . . . Welcome to the Forum already!

It's just that it is sometimes the case that EC's have to be made to feel they must repent of their past.

And we all do, Orthodox too.

But we do not have to repent of all it.

You know Fr. Walinski? He is of Ukrainian Jewish background, as you doubtless know (Sorry for bringing up the ethnic stuff again Jakub! ).

We worked together on the akathist to King Charles the Martyr - I did the text and he provided the icon. It is published by the Society of King Charles the Martyr. He has a great devotion to King Charles as do many in his and other WO parishes.

Alex

Dear Jakub,

Sorry for having given offense!

Just wanted to see Western Orthodox's mettle, especially when I read his blog.

Don't I have a Rite to defend the UGCC when I perceive it to be under attack?

If I have spoken out of turn, I apologise. I'm just a bit tired about the assessment of "Uniatism" from some quarters (not to single out Western Orthodox at all!) that makes blanket generalizations.

And just look at Subdeacon Borislav and Aleksandr-Slavipodvizhnik! They won't let anyone "spit in their kasha!" Why are EC's obliged to?

Don't want anyone to spit in my kasha either! And Pope John Paul II - I think HE was rather a strong Polish patriot, was he not?

Alex

Alex, I would never spit in your kasha! Onions are much better with kasha than saliva! Although kasha is best when mixed with blood and rice and made into hurka! I know that certain South American Indian tribes make a mildly alcoholic drink by chewing certain roots and spitting the results into bowls, with the saliva's enzymes initiating fermentation. Wanna share a bowl of Indian spit?

Alexandr

Dear Alexandr,

Well, there is a type of honey taken by bees from honey-dew which is, in actual fact, insect spittle that is left on pine needles . . .

I have had some of this honey and it is excellent. If that Indian dish comes anywhere near the culinary class of that honey, then I will be happy to share a bowl with you. I will pay for the vodka!

Alex

Alex, I'm known as a peaceful and humble Latin, and quite harmless...98% of the time

james

So you don't go around saying, "My name is Bond, JAMES Bond?"

Alex

Not exactly, though I share the same initials with 007...

james

Once the pawing, stamping and snorting are finshed, we then come to the real heart of the matter.

Joe, take note! the mystical purpose of marking one's territory.



Mary

Dear Alex,

Just to clarify, I did not mean that numerous Roman Catholics were moving over to Western Rite Orthodoxy. I was agreeing with Apotheoun where he wrote, "As an Eastern Catholic I do not see anything wrong with it"((Anglicans and Protestants deciding to become Orthodox Christians), and that neither would numerous Roman Catholics see anything wrong with it.

In Christ,
Bill