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Why has it taken the Muslims so long to get to America to further their Jihad?

How are they going to enslave our country with no navy, air force or army?

When they get here how are they going to enslave the most armed populace on the planet?

I support your right to support a pre-emptive strike on the Jihad as you believe. Feel free to contribute financially, or even go over there as a soldier. Just don't force me to please.

If the problem isn't our foreign policy, but the very heart of Islam, how do we protect ourselves? Do we eliminate every Muslim out there? Like I stated, none of them have a serious Navy or Air Force. Do you suggest we start genocide? Final Solution?

As far as standing by and watching injustice happen, we're going to need a lot more soldiers if we're going to start going into every country were injustice is happening. Why aren't we in Darfur?

If you're right about the Muslims coming to try to conquer America, I'll be waiting, and armed to defend myself.

How dare Ron Paul suggest that the attack was a result of our foreign policy? We are America, we do no wrong!

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I would remind you of our Lord's command that we love our enemies (which is not to say that I think you should cease from pointing out the threat that bin Laden and others like him pose).

And I would remind of our Lord's intolerances of deceit, lies and corruption.

I guarantee you that the money landers who were chased out of the Temple and the Merchants who's tables were overturned did not feel loved by our Lord.

Yet Love them He did!

Sometimes, righteous anger, confronting that which is clearly evil, not being afraid to call things by their proper name is the right thing to do.

Many of our Saint Father picked up the sword to defend their brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers, children and the elderly.

Why should we not follow their example and BE INTOLERANT TO EVIL!

I humbly pray that our WARRIOR SAINTS. St. George and St. Aleksander Nevskij intercede for us at the throne of the living God and help us drive the enemy back to hell where they belong.



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Why has it taken the Muslims so long to get to America to further their Jihad?

How are they going to enslave our country with no navy, air force or army?

When they get here how are they going to enslave the most armed populace on the planet?

I support your right to support a pre-emptive strike on the Jihad as you believe. Feel free to contribute financially, or even go over there as a soldier. Just don't force me to please.

If the problem isn't our foreign policy, but the very heart of Islam, how do we protect ourselves? Do we eliminate every Muslim out there? Like I stated, none of them have a serious Navy or Air Force. Do you suggest we start genocide? Final Solution?

As far as standing by and watching injustice happen, we're going to need a lot more soldiers if we're going to start going into every country were injustice is happening. Why aren't we in Darfur?

If you're right about the Muslims coming to try to conquer America, I'll be waiting, and armed to defend myself.

How dare Ron Paul suggest that the attack was a result of our foreign policy? We are America, we do no wrong!

Nathan


Conquer America with an army?

I think not.

Set of a Nuclear Device in New York after a terrorist state like Iran hands it of to a terror group?

Very possible.

Should we kill Muslims?

Of course not!

But should we let them preach hate in their mosques poisoning the minds of the young? Should we keep sending our money to Saudi Arabia which funds Jihad through numerous "charity's" and other such cover ups? Should we allow our Left Wing media to Call the people who wanted to commit atrocities on our soil and kill our soldiers just last week: Yugoslavians, Roofers, Undocumented Workers instead of calling them ISLAMIC TERRORISTS? I think not.

Ignore the Islamists? We've tried that. We ignored the bombing of the USS Cole, first World Trade Center, Bombing of US Embassy in East Africa. All ignored by the Clinton's. Well if you ignore them you get 9/11.

We have gone down the path of appeasement and ignoring with Nazi Germany. How many life's did that cost?

If you let evil go unchecked it WILL come and bit you in the butt.

We have thousands of years of History to prove that.

We need to wake up and stop saying that Islam is the Religion of Peace.
We also need to stop saying that we are at War with Terrorism.

Terrorism is a tactic employed by one or other group of people.

It is like saying that we were at war with the Blitzkriegers during WWII. Blitzkrieg was a tactic employed by Nazi Germany. Terrorism is a tactic employed by Islam.

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Originally Posted by Subdeacon Borislav
Conquer America with an army?

I think not.

Set of a Nuclear Device in New York after a terrorist state like Iran hands it of to a terror group?

Very possible.

Should we kill Muslims?

Of course not!

But should we let them preach hate in their mosques poisoning the minds of the young? Should we keep sending our money to Saudi Arabia which funds Jihad through numerous "charity's" and other such cover ups? Should we allow our Left Wing media to Call the people who wanted to commit atrocities on our soil and kill our soldiers just last week: Yugoslavians, Roofers, Undocumented Workers instead of calling them ISLAMIC TERRORISTS? I think not.

Ignore the Islamists? We've tried that. We ignored the bombing of the USS Cole, first World Trade Center, Bombing of US Embassy in East Africa. All ignored by the Clinton's. Well if you ignore them you get 9/11.

We have gone down the path of appeasement and ignoring with Nazi Germany. How many life's did that cost?

If you let evil go unchecked it WILL come and bit you in the butt.

We have thousands of years of History to prove that.

What is your solution to stop the Muslims from ever attacking us again if it is a part of their religion to attack us?

Do we kill them all or convert them all or a combination, or do you have something else in mind?

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Some of the things I suggested. Like doing our best to stop the flow of oil money into Saudi Arabia. Closing of the border with Mexico and curbing our Illegal Immigration problem. Closing down Wahiabi mosques on our soil. Deporting Imams that preach intolerance. Finally reacting swiftly to dictators like Iraq and Iran where they are close to developing WMD's. Don't tell me Sadam didn't have them. He killed Kurds with Chemical Weapons more than 10 years ago. Finally we need to define who our enemy is. It is not Roofers, or Undocumented Workers, it is ISLAMIC JIHADISTS.

Should we sit and do nothing while they plot to kill us?

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Do we kill them all or convert them all or a combination, or do you have something else in mind?

Whats with you and killing anyway my friend? Are you trying to get me to say that I am advocating Genocide?

You asked this question in your previous post. I said Of course not! I am not saying we should run around killing Muslims. This would make us no better than they are.

Converting by the sword?
That is also a completely Islamic concept.


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Dear Zenovia,
I was merely using the example of the Evangelicals in defense of Mormanism. In fact both of these faiths can and do make claims that they are Christian.

And yes, certainly there are aspects in both these faiths which can be interpreted by a strict Orthodox or Catholic as heretical. This is undeniable.

But as I said above, this should not prevent a member of either one of these respective faiths from having a fair shot at becoming our President.

Like I said in previous posts. I like Rudy. My only problem with Him is His unwaivering support for Abortion. Will I support Rudy against Mitt? That would be a no. But than would I support Rudy against Hillary? YES, YES AND YES.


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Originally Posted by Deacon Nikolai
Mitt is a known flip-flopper in MA on almost all the issues you named. I lived in New England, and although he seemed solid for a Northeastern Politician, he just cannot seem to stick to his principals when the heat is turned up.

Originally Posted by Subdeacon Borislav
Just watch the MSNBC coverage of the first GOP debate. Compared to FOX's coverage MSNBC did a horrible job.

They would not let candidates speak. The questions they asked were dreadful. All around Fox is better.

MSNBC hosted the first debate, Fox hosted the second, I agree that Fox did a better job at asking questions, but I think that overall MSNBC does a better job at covering the election, especially on election night. I was shocked that I preferred it myself 7 years ago and it stayed that strong every year afterwards. And I HATE MS! Also I think their poll is better.



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And yes I am a Neo-Con. smile

Well that explains things, except I thought the neocons were supposed to be for pro-abortion, pro-civil unions, pro-gun control, pro-big government Giuliani? All the neocon talking heads like Sean Hannity on so-called "conservative" radio seem to be! wink

And as a matter of disclosure, I am a Conservative (Maybe a paleoconservative at that) and a Strict Constitutionalist and for smaller government unlike POTUS George Bush who has the biggest government ever in the history of the USA. That is why I am no longer a Republican Party member. I am not a war hawk and I do not believe we are in a "Global Jihad". However, we have created the Axis of Evil where one never existed before. We united those we vilified and if there comes to be a "Global Jihad" we are indeed partly to blame for it.

Father Deacon Nikolai, well said smile. We are of one mind on this.

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I find it rather disturbing that people think that if a "Global Jihad" comes we are to blame for it.

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Austrians, Germans, and the Polish warrior King Jan Sobieski.

Mustapha lays siege to Vienna with 140,000 Saracens. King Jan Sobieski arrives on the scene with 30,000 infantry and mounted Winged Hussars. King Sobieski personally leads the cavalry charge of 20,000 Austrian, German and Polish mounts. They cut the Saracens to pieces. Mustapha's army disintegrates and are chased eastward for several days. The scourge of jihad that had threatened Western Europe for centuries is exterminated.

September 12, 1683 is the day that the now defunct Islamic empire reached its furthest geographic extent. From that day forward, beginning with the slaughtering charge of Polish King Jan Sobieski, the Islamic empire contracted, until March 2, 1924 when the Turkish Grand National Assembly abolished the Caliphate and flushed it down the toilet of failed ideologies.

If it was not for the efforts of a Polish CATHOLIC Army in 1683, we might have been under Shariah law now.

I wonder who people blamed for Jihad in 1683? To bad Bush wasn't around!


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So which King and army have laid siege in the US that these are being compared?

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There is no King and army that has laid siege to the US because at this time Islam is unable to produce this army.

However they are able to produce fanatics who will set of dirty bombs in our cities.

Some months ago there was a plot uncovered to blow up 6 or 7 planes using liquid explosives.

Another plot was just uncovered that involved killing US Soldiers.

In the light of Bombings in Moscow, New York, London, Madrid how can you deny the fact that we are facing a world wide effort to bring down western democracy?

Islam will use the reasources which are available to it. Be it suicide bombers, WPD's or an army if they have one.

The exact way of how they will attack us does not meter. It is still Jihad, and that is exactly what they are calling it.


The point is this.

We as Christians take our scriptures seriously.

Unfortunately many Muslims take their scriptures seriously to. Read the quotes I provided above. Check them against the Quran.

It is written in black and white.

Islam will not stop until it is the only religion in the world, or until some one stops it.



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Originally Posted by Dr. Eric
Yes, there are no more Edomites. wink

I really don't know how to reconcile this with the Lord's words in the New Testament.

Dr. Eric,

I don't try to reconcile it with the New Testament. I simply accept that the ancient Hebrews had a more primitive and obscure understanding of divine revelation. I think that they thought that God was commanding them to do those things. But God never commands us to do what is evil.

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Originally Posted by Subdeacon Borislav
My hateful tone and sarcasm is directed at Osama Bin Laden. Please forgive me if I don't show "respect" to a mass murdering Satanis and to a man who makes excuses for Him while preaching the vile doctrine of non-involvement.(Ron Paul)

This is the second time you have said that my "tone discredits what I am saying". I think you're wrong. I provided evidence with quotes from the "Holy Quran" and the Hadiths, videos, and photographs which make my point for me rather well.

Honestly I really don't care if you take me seriously or not. Don't like my posts? Don't read them.

My anger was in no way directed at Father Deacon whom I respect very much.

If you expect me to stay calm and collected as I talk about the people who murder my brothers and sisters and defile Churches you've got another thing coming.

Borisslav,

I could find photos of mutilated and massacred Iraqi women and children from the "shock and awe" campaign that we waged against the Iraqis. What would that prove?

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But God never commands us to do what is evil.

Exactly. That is why I submit that the Islamic holy books were dictated by someone else.

Interestingly enough the Arabic word for God is not Allah. It is Illah. Otherwise the Islamic saying "There is not Illah but Allah" makes no sense what so ever. It would basically mean there is no God but God. Since we know that the only name God the Father have ever revealed to the Hebrews was Yahweh, Allah is a different entity all together. The sign of the crescent is also very reminiscent of the morning star.
Also if one searches the Quarnic scripture there are lengthy passages on how Allah will wait unbelievers in Hell and HIMSELF torture them delighting in their suffering. Call me crazy, but this certainly sounds like satanic to me.





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Dear Joe.

Those photos are not taken in time of war. They are from everyday life of countries which are living under Islamic law.

I was simply trying to illustrate to people what Sharia law is all about.

There is also another flaw in your logic. The Kurds have lived in peace and prosperity after US removed Sadam. They are not dying anymore. Did you know that there was a mass grave of 300,000 people discovered in Iraq? Please don't try to tell me that the Iraqi people were better off under Hussein.


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I would remind you of our Lord's command that we love our enemies (which is not to say that I think you should cease from pointing out the threat that bin Laden and others like him pose).

And I would remind of our Lord's intolerances of deceit, lies and corruption.

I guarantee you that the money landers who were chased out of the Temple and the Merchants who's tables were overturned did not feel loved by our Lord.

Yet Love them He did!

Sometimes, righteous anger, confronting that which is clearly evil, not being afraid to call things by their proper name is the right thing to do.

Many of our Saint Father picked up the sword to defend their brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers, children and the elderly.

Why should we not follow their example and BE INTOLERANT TO EVIL!

I humbly pray that our WARRIOR SAINTS. St. George and St. Aleksander Nevskij intercede for us at the throne of the living God and help us drive the enemy back to hell where they belong.

What did Our Lord say? "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword." What is more important? Protecting our contingent, earthly home or living according to the ideals of our eternal, heavenly home?

Joe

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