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AMM,

I read Ukrainian and Russian press - I don't rely only on what is posted here. One is more likely to read of Patriarch Alexi II or Metropolitan Volodymyr welcoming a delegation of Lutherans/Baptists/others from the West than of complaints of a new protestant church being built. In the eyes of Moscow the only religious 'enemies' worth making a fuss over are the UGCC and the UOC-KP.

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Read some of the news and reporting sources for evangelical groups in this country which do missionary work in Russia and you'll get a different picture.

If they treat groups from the WCC differently, it's because they view them as essentially harmless.

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Thank you, Deacon Robert and Alex.

I was aware of Polish hostilities towards Russia in general and the Russian Orthodox Church (among some) dating to the days when Russia ruled over part of partitioned Poland and sought "Russification" over that part of Poland ruled by the Tsar.

Being unable to read any Slavic language, I check the Polish Radio external service English section daily. There are usually reports about Ukraine a couple of times a week, but this is rarely Church news. It certainly seems that the Polish government is working to heal the centuries old animosity that has existed between Ukrainians and Polish.


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Dear AMM,

In fact, the UGCC and UOC-KP pose a direct threat to the MP's religious-cultural hegemony in Ukraine because they all share the same religious heritage and tradition.

The destruction of the UGCC by the Soviet forces working through the ROC in 1946 is tacitly affirmed by the ROC today because the context of that ecclesial absorption is that of "righting the wrong" of the "Polish-imposed Unia" of 1596.

In fact, the Kyivan Orthodox Metropolia of the 16th century was a separate jurisdiction from the "Muscovites" so in 1946, were the Russian Orthodox interested in "righting history" (please excuse me for using the "H" word! wink ), the ROC would have done the completely unlikely thing of restoring an autocephalous Kyivan Orthodox Metropolia and THEN forced the UGCC to join it . . . smile

Today the UOC-KP and UGCC compete for resources with the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine and there is open ideological warfare grounded in both religious and national contexts.

That's the way it always was, it's the way it is now and there's no indication that things will change in the near future.

As in any real war, one side will win over the other when one of the sides realize their situation has become untenable.

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In fairness and to put the facts straight, the Mospat does very much make a "fuss" over the numerous Protestant controlled groups operating in Eastern Europe. I personally heard the strong fuss being made while in I was in Moscow.

I don't post much here on the open public Byzantine Forum due to reasons that many who do post here know. But to prevent something stated wrongly as being fact from growing a life of its own, I feel compelled to do so.

Thank you.

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Alas, the conversion of Jews to Catholicism or any other religion made no difference to the Nazis - which is why there was a Catholic parish functioning in the Warsaw Ghetto. The Nazis defined a "Jew" as anyone with the requisite blood-line.

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