How do you know that it doesn't happen in Israel? And by the way, this video comes from CBN (700 club) and so it is of course going to be heavily biased by Pat Robertson's pro-Israel ideology. I'm not denying at all that Muslims in Palestine and other middle eastern countries persecute Christians; but this video complete ignores the historical persecution against Christians by Jews and how the dwindling population of Christians in Bethlehem is largely because of Israeli policies.
So, do you think that Israel should be wiped off the map?
I have relatives and friends who live in Israel. Both Jewish and Christian. As far as they are concerned they have not seen any animosity between Christians and Jews in the Holy land.
I don't know where you are getting this information about modern day Jewish Persecution of Christians, but I think you are being misled.
Last edited by Subdeacon Borislav; 05/24/0704:43 PM.
I don't think that Israel should be wiped off the map, even though I think that things would have turned out better had Palestine/Israel remained an international territory.
So the French can have a country, Russians can have a country, Arabs can have their countries, but the Jews do not deserve to have even a tiny corner on the map?
So the French can have a country, Russians can have a country, Arabs can have their countries, but the Jews do not deserve to have even a tiny corner on the map?
Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity. The Jews who came to Israel to resettle were mostly Europeans. Christ abolished the old covenant by establishing the New and more perfect covenant in His blood. That is why Jesus himself predicted the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple. That was the sign that the new and final covenant people (the Church) had arrived and that national Israel was no more. So, it isn't their land. The Palestinians living on that land have been there for thousands of years. The Europeans who came in simply pushed them out and took over.
Joe
Last edited by JSMelkiteOrthodoxy; 05/24/0705:20 PM.
Are you than denying the fact that the Jewish people or at least many of them are descenders of the tribes of Israel spoken about in the OT.
Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Manasseh, Ephraim, and Benjamin.
If you are not denying this how is it that you claim that they are not a real ethnicity.
Many of them are, just as Arabs are. The only thing that would distinguish true semitic Jews from Arabs would be their religion. However, because of centuries of intermarriage, converts to Judaism, etc. who can really trace their family line back to the twelve tribes (and 10 of the tribes are lost forever by the way)?
Many of them are, just as Arabs are. The only thing that would distinguish true semitic Jews from Arabs would be their religion. However, because of centuries of intermarriage, converts to Judaism, etc. who can really trace their family line back to the twelve tribes (and 10 of the tribes are lost forever by the way)?
So you would deny the people that are ethnically Jewish(even part Jewish) their identity? Is this really fair?
If you haven't figured out yet, I am part Jewish btw.
20+ of my family were wiped out by the Nazis in the Ukraine including small children.
In the USSR, where I was born the 5th Row in your passport said Nationality. If one had a Jewish Father the 5th Row said JEW.
Why are people from the Ukraine that happen to be Jewish called Ukrainian Jews? Why are Jews from Russia, called Russian Jews? Why are members of the Messianic movement in Israel called Messianic Jews?
Also please point out where in the NT, the Lord said He was here to abolish the OT?
Last edited by Subdeacon Borislav; 05/24/0705:41 PM.
Are you than denying the fact that the Jewish people or at least many of them are descenders of the tribes of Israel spoken about in the OT.
Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Manasseh, Ephraim, and Benjamin.
If you are not denying this how is it that you claim that they are not a real ethnicity.
Many of them are, just as Arabs are. The only thing that would distinguish true semitic Jews from Arabs would be their religion. However, because of centuries of intermarriage, converts to Judaism, etc. who can really trace their family line back to the twelve tribes (and 10 of the tribes are lost forever by the way)?
Joe
Any Mormon will tell you that the 10 Tribes weren't lost.
So the French can have a country, Russians can have a country, Arabs can have their countries, but the Jews do not deserve to have even a tiny corner on the map?
Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity. The Jews who came to Israel to resettle were mostly Europeans. Christ abolished the old covenant by establishing the New and more perfect covenant in His blood. That is why Jesus himself predicted the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple. That was the sign that the new and final covenant people (the Church) had arrived and that national Israel was no more. So, it isn't their land. The Palestinians living on that land have been there for thousands of years. The Europeans who came in simply pushed them out and took over.
Joe
I read an Essay about the Khazars and their adoption of Judaism.
I think this explains why Jerry Seinfeld has blue eyes.
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