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But, our media and government is so one-sidedly pro Israel that the legitimate concerns of Palestinians are often overlooked.

Dear Joe,

The Israelis are not Americans, and many do treat the Palestinians in a way that we would consider harsh. The Palestinians suffer severe economic deprivation. If the Palestinians would accept Israel as a state, and stop the suicide bombings, then these things could be dealt with. As the situation is now, we cannot do anything.

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Different people have been trying to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth for over 2000 years. Why that seems acceptable has always baffled me. But there you have it.

Dear CDL,

The Jews are a culture living within another culture. Basing their actions on the persecutions of their own past experiences within the society they live in, they would end up becoming a greater threat to them.

As an example, whenever there were wars, and nations were trying justly or unjustly to establish their own borders, the Jews had no allegiance to either side...and in a way, I should say rightly so. So both sides ended up perceiving them as a threat to their nation. Because of this past history of the Jews, when they started becoming involved politically in the nations they were situated in, they would try to change the established order leading to retaliation with the growth of Fascism, and worse, Nazism.

This happened in Russia, and almost happened in other nations in Europe. Although all Jews were not communists, most communists were Jews. They were probably blamed for the assasinations of the Czar, and who knows who else...leading of course to more persecutions of the Jews. The evils and blame of communism, and it's desire to eliminate nationalism and establish a one world government, were then thrown on the Jews.

To make things worse, the Jews have many different ideologies, causing friction among themselves, and making them vulnerable to those that fear them. Today there are Jews that believe Israel should not exist. How quickly they forget history. frown

God Bless,

Zenovia

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Wait a minute...

Are you saying you're the Archbishop of Canterbury? confused

No, but Reverend Doctor sounds like a title that an Anglican would use. wink

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Dear CDL,

I realize, after reading my post that I didn't make myself very clear. So I think I better re-write what I said.

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The Jews are a culture living within another culture. Basing their actions on the persecutions of their own past experiences within the society they live in, they would end up becoming a greater threat to them.

What I mean is that the Jews, because they were Jewish, were always different from the Christian society they were living in. They would always reacte to situations according to their own past experiences and persecutions. By doing that, they would become a threat to the others.

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As an example, whenever there were wars, and nations were trying justly or unjustly to establish their own borders, the Jews had no allegiance to either side...and in a way, I should say rightly so. So both sides ended up perceiving them as a threat to their nation. Because of this past history of the Jews, when they started becoming involved politically in the nations they were situated in, they would try to change the established order leading to retaliation with the growth of Fascism, and worse, Nazism.

As an example, whenever there were wars between two neighboring countries or people, the Jews would have no allegiance to either side...and in a way, I should say rightly so since their sympathies were towards their fellow Jews and relatives living within the other's borders.

Later on when the Jews started becoming politically involved in the governments of the nations they were living in, they would perceive things in a way that was detrimental to the 'nationalism' that caused them so much sorrow. By thinking that way, they became a threat to whatever nation they lived in because they opposed the established order.

Since communism had taken over Russia, and was rampant in Europe, and most of the communists were Jews, the rise of the nationalist party in Germany automatically became the enemy of the Jews.

It seems no matter what the Jews did, it always worked against them. Zionism, which started in Eastern Europe because of the persecutions, was used by England in WW I to sway the German Jews from fighting for Germany. The English planes would drop pamphlets on the armies, telling the German Jews that England was their friend, and would give them Palestine. This caused Hitler, and many Germans that were suffering during the depression, to see the Jews as having stabbed Germany in the back.

Considering the past history of the Jews in Europe, and everything they went through, I'm astounded when I hear liberal Jews saying how Israel is not really needed, and that maybe it shouldn't be a Jewish state.

God Bless,

Zenovia


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