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O.K., I've got my marching orders AND my ammo . . . I take it there's no "bag limit" on how many we convert?  Onward Christian soldiers!! Alex
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Alex, Just remember that it is not advisable to do a "Catch and Release" program!  Happy Hunting! Dr. Eric
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Dear Dr Eric, Don't worry - I'm not throwing ANY of the ones I hook back! In this case, size doesn't matter . . . Alex
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Something I find interesting about the language used by many Baptists and other Evangelicals is that of "personal Lord and Savior." Where, I ask, is this language of "personal Lord and Savior" to be found in Holy Scripture? I raise this question because the sort of Christians who use this language are supposedly Sola Scriptura Christians. Holy Scripture states in Romans 10:9 "if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." If I were asked by a Baptist or some other stripe of Evangelical if I have been saved, I would respond with this passage and say that I believe in my heart that God raised Jesus from the dead and that I confess Jesus as Lord at least once a week when I go to Divine Liturgy. I have seen many good answers to that question, and as one who knows ALL about Evangelicals, let me say that your reply is not only one of the best, but one of the most intelligent. you have answered them on their own turf. Much Love, Jonn
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Dear John, O.K., however, all the Catholics I know you are in the Charismatic Renewal use EXACTLY the same language about Jesus being their personal Lord and Saviour. (I guess if one wanted to Easternize that, it would be "Lord, GOD and Saviour"). I dropped by for confession to an RC priest on my way home one day in the parish where I used to go to school and he gave me the same language - "confess Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour etc." What I like to tell Evangelicals is that I'm Evangelical and then ask him or her if they ever heard of the "Jesus Prayer." They respond by saying, "the Our Father, yes, I know that . . ." I tell them all about the Jesus Prayer, keeping it on one's lips, in one's heart and on one's mind, as the Orthodox monastic profession states. So Eastern Christians and others who use this prayer, affirm the Lordship of Jesus many times daily. Perhaps Memo, who defends Charismatics so stalwartly, could also weigh in here with some comments? Memo? Alex
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the Jesus Prayer is a devotional that I myself use.that is not quite the same thing as confessing that Jesus Christ died for my sins, and that He was raised from the dead, and that He is my LORD and Saviour. else, there would be many Latin Catholics who do not recite the Jesus Prayer left out, and not only they, but Orientals, Anglicans, Protestants, and others who have made the confession that Jesus died for sins from the Kingdom.it is not reciting the Prayer like a mantra, there is nothing in Scripture to support it, that will save you, but confession, as St.Paul has said in Romans. the Prayer is a further continuation of your confession. it is indeed a testimony. would you limit salvation only to those who recite the Prayer, I think not, I believe I know you better than that. your Priest is correct, else he would be in violation of what Holy Mother Church teaches,not that there are Priests who say as they please, but I do not believe that either his Bishop or the Holy Father would have problems with what he said. as far as the Charismatics are concerned, while we both know there have been excesses in their history, in this I agree with them.
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Dear John,
Certainly, I don't believe that those who recite or don't recite the Jesus Prayer go or don't go to Heaven!
I simply use it to tell my Evangelical friends that we do know about the Lord Jesus, that He is the Son of God etc.
And all that stuff about His Life, Death and Resurrection!
That they're not the only ones.
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I had a booklet from Catholic Answers called "Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth" given to me by a coworker(not that I was in need of it, he just gave it to me) and I also had a booklet called "What Orthodox Christians Believe" from Conciliar Press. I gave them both to Jehovah's Witnesses and to Mormons. I can't recall who got what, but they said they would read them and would return for discussion. No returns from either of the parties.
Another story. My dad, 83 years old welcomed a young Jehovah's Witness into his home. He would call on my dad quite often. I told my dad, "You know what he is trying to do don't you?". (My dad I humbly say is an unbelievable person, I would have to describe him as being saintly rather than pious. I have been truly blessed.) He told me, "Sure I know why he comes here, he likes me!". I'm sure early on my dad let him know he would not waver in the faith. This Jehovah's Witness has since moved out of town but on occassion telephones my dad just to see how he is doing.
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Try this on a Jehovah's Witness at your front door sometime:
"Oh, I'm so glad to see you; do come in. I'm just about to take the roast out of the oven - I love rare roast beef with lots of juice and roast potatoes. We'll say a little prayer together and have dinner, and then we can have a nice conversation over some fresh-ground, fresh-brewed coffee!"
Since he won't pray with you, won't eat your food, and won't drink your coffee, you may then politely throw him out and invite him to stay away in future.
If you want to drive him really bananas, offer him a Cuban cigar!
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I had a booklet from Catholic Answers called "Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth" given to me by a coworker(not that I was in need of it, he just gave it to me) and I also had a booklet called "What Orthodox Christians Believe" from Conciliar Press. I gave them both to Jehovah's Witnesses and to Mormons. I can't recall who got what, but they said they would read them and would return for discussion. No returns from either of the parties.
Another story. My dad, 83 years old welcomed a young Jehovah's Witness into his home. He would call on my dad quite often. I told my dad, "You know what he is trying to do don't you?". (My dad I humbly say is an unbelievable person, I would have to describe him as being saintly rather than pious. I have been truly blessed.) He told me, "Sure I know why he comes here, he likes me!". I'm sure early on my dad let him know he would not waver in the faith. This Jehovah's Witness has since moved out of town but on occassion telephones my dad just to see how he is doing. My wife once handed out the "Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth," tract to a Jehovah's Witness. I think it is a good idea to have such tracts (or Orthodox ones for us Orthodox) handy. Joe
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I also tell them to look in any Bible besides their own and read John 1:1.
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1 God, who, at sundry times and in divers manners, spoke in times past to the fathers by the prophets, last of all, 2 In these days hath spoken to us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the world. 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the figure of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, making purgation of sins, sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high. 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath inherited a more excellent name than they. 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, today have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith: And let all the angels of God adore him. 7 And to the angels indeed he saith: He that maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And: Thou in the beginning, O Lord, didst found the earth: and the works of thy hands are the heavens.
11 They shall perish, but thou shalt continue: and they shall all grow old as a garment. 12 And as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: but thou art the selfsame, and thy years shall not fail. 13 But to which of the angels said he at any time: Sit on my right hand, until I make thy enemies thy footstool? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent to minister for them, who shall receive the inheritance of salvation?
The Beginning of the Epistle to the Hebrews.
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