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Hey, all!
My Byzantine Catholic relatives will be sending me a box load of church books (I guess they want me to "get more acquainted" with their church). My aunt's cousin no longer cantors and is going through a late spring cleaning. He heard of my interest these days and thought to send them UPS to me.
Per my phone conversation with my aunt, the books I will be getting are-
Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom
Pentecostarion
Triodion
Festal Menaion
Vespers
Matins
Presanctified Liturgy
(He was going to send me a number of Slavic books, but since I don't know Slavic I told her to donate them to someone who can actually use them)
What are these books all about?
Eddie Hashinsky
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What a blessing you have found, Ed!
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Ed,
Are they from the Kocisko era or the RDL new books?
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"He was going to send me a number of Slavic books, but since I don't know Slavic I told her to donate them to someone who can actually use them)"
Maybe there is someone on this forum who would really appreciate these books in Church Slavonic and would treasure them.
Or have your family donate them to a Rare Books past of a local university library.
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(He was going to send me a number of Slavic books, but since I don't know Slavic I told her to donate them to someone who can actually use them) Dear Ed, I'm may be interested in the Slavonic books. What books have they offered to you?
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Dear Ed, To answer a little more fully: The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom and the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts are probably "official" books for those services: one with a consecration of the Eucharistic bread and one, and the other a service of Vespers + Holy Communion, for use on weekdays of the Great Fast. The other books (if your relatives are Byzantine Catholic) are probably the editions of the Sisters of Saint Basil the Great (Uniontown, PA) for the services of Vespers and Matins, and for the liturgical year (Triodion = the great Lenten fast, Pentecostarion = Paschal / Easter season, Festal Menaion = other feasts throughout the year). These books are not "official" (we don't HAVE official editions of these books) but have been widely used. Very similar books for Vespers and Matins, but with music, can be found on the MCI website [ metropolitancantorinstitute.org]. There are corresponding Orthodox editions of the Festal Menaion, Triodion and Pentecostarion. If you're interested, I can also send you some cantor's newsletters from 1999/2000 that explain how to use these books for prayer (they take a while to learn to navigate, since they often leave out rubrics and directions). Yours in Christ, Jeff Mierzejewski P.S. Yes, there are a number of us who keep an eye out for Slavonic books, and use them - but starting in English may be easier 
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I too, would be interested in the Slavonic books!
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"Chvalite Hospoda - Veliky Cherkovni Sbornik"
(1947, Preshov, Czechoslovakia, Bishop Pavel)
"Chjasosavu"
Poz?oletce Pechatati
O. gr. ka. Mitropolitanago Ordinarijea
(1909, Lbv�v, Andreu Shep??)
"Vechirne I Utrene"
(1945, Canada, Bishop Basil)
"Cerkovnoje Prostopinia"
(1906, Fircakv)
"Izbornik Cerkovnyi"
(1924, Uzhorod, Nikolaj Coma-Prjasevskoj)
"Grekokatolicki Duchovni Pisni"-Stephen Papp
(1969, Presov, Bishop Jan Hirka)
yes, the other English books are from Sisters of Saint Basil the Great. They are not official???
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The list I give immediately prior to this post is only a part of his Slavonic collection. he has boxes stored away of other books he saved over teh years. a lot of hand written musical scores from Europe, but I think someone already picked them up.
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Eddie,
I'm interested in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th books on your list. Can you temporarily activate Private Messages or nominate a third party through whom I can pass along my email address?
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I believe I can still accept private messages.
I don't know ho wmuch of a chance i will be able to convince the family to give them away. I am sure I can make an argument about someone actually using them rather than shelving them. But that i am receiving the English books is surprising. I can always ask.
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Can anyone tell me what the Slavic books are about? My aunt had someone translate the titles to her from Slavic to Latin letters. they werewritten in a different alphabet. I hope they make sense. No one can read what they say in English.
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Ed still can't get a Private Message to you  Please would you contact Admin about this ?
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Dear Eddie,
"Chvalite Hospoda - Veliky Cherkovni Sbornik"
(1947, Preshov, Czechoslovakia, Bishop Pavel)
is a prayerbook - "Let Us Praise the Lord". A "Cherkovni Sborbik" (Church Anthology) was the book a layman would take to church, usually containing the text and hymns of the various liturgies, possibly with the prayers and chants for feast days and for other prayers as well.
"Chjasosavu"
Poz?oletce Pechatati
O. gr. ka. Mitropolitanago Ordinarijea
(1909, Lbv�v, Andreu Shep??)
Probably a "Chasoslov", or Horologion - a book with the fixed texts of the non-Eucharistic services: Vespers, Matins and Hours - and perhaps other services such as Molebens (prayer services) and Akathists (very stylized hymns of praise).
"Vechirne I Utrene"
(1945, Canada, Bishop Basil)
Usually a small two volume set, with Vespers and Matins (which is what the title means) throughout the year.
"Cerkovnoje Prostopinia"
(1906, Fircakv)
This is the "Bokshai and Malinich" Prostopinije (the title means "Church Plainchant" - the basic Slavonic reference for our chant.
"Izbornik Cerkovnyi"
(1924, Uzhorod, Nikolaj Coma-Prjasevskoj)
Another prayerbook; Nicholas Choma prepared a number of books with and without music, including a chant book which has some alternatives to Bokshai.
"Grekokatolicki Duchovni Pisni"-Stephen Papp
(1969, Presov, Bishop Jan Hirka)
A collection of traditional hymns and spiritual songs - a "hymnal" if you will - published during the Prague Spring in Czechoslovakia. Father Papp collected a good number of these hymns.
SOme of these I've never seen - I would love to get a look at the Chasoslov. Anyone with more detailed information on individual publications, please add to or correct what I've written!
By the way - the Uniontown books are as official as anything we had for years - usually labelled "from approved sources", meaning that the texts were ones that the bishop probably wouldn't OBJECT to - but that he hadn't actually put his own stamp of approval on. These were sometimes labelled "For private use." But this happened with MANY of our books in English; even the baptismal ritual used for decades (published in 1955, and I still see it used today) says "For private use.". *shrug* We move slowly on making things official, sometimes.
Yours in Christ,
Jeff
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