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Catholic World News reports that Patriarch Bartholomew will visit Rome on June 29 to join Pope John Paul II for an ecumenical liturgical service honoring Ss Peter and Paul, the patrons of the Diocese of Rome.
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If not the Patriarch himself, each year a delegation is sent from Constantinople to celebrate the feast of Sts. Peter and Paul, and on the feast of St. Andrew, a delegation from Rome is sent to Constantinople. This is a BEATIFUL and CHRISTIAN gesture. It always makes me smile! 
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Alice,
yes, you are quite correct delegations from each of these Apostolic Sees are sent to each other's respective patronal celebrations, but given these past few months, the fact that Bartolomew himself is coming puts a different light upon the celebration in Rome.
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The official visit of His All-Holiness,Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople, could be considered significant for 3 reasons:
(1) As Alice observed, normally the EP merely sends a delegation to the annual celebration of the Feast of Sts. Peter and Paul in reciprocity for the Roman delegation to the Feast of St. Andrew in Constantinople. (The last time the EP visited Rome officially was in 1995);
(2) The Ecumenical Patriarch will be on hand to receive in behalf of Orthodoxy the Diocese of Rome's St. Theodore Church (completely renovated for appropriate celebration of the Eastern Divine Liturgy) for exclusive use as a parish Church by the Orthodox residing in Rome, in addition to all other facilities granted by the Pope for Orthodox independent use; and
(3) The official visit comes in the wake of the unresolved issue re the raising of the UGCC as a Patriarchate.
Amado
For the unity of East and West!
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 Good thing the EP doesnt represent all of Orthodoxy for this is a very sad event. The EP and the Pope are already in full communion with each other any way despite the differances.
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Originally posted by ByzantineAscetic: Good thing the EP doesnt represent all of Orthodoxy for this is a very sad event. The EP and the Pope are already in full communion with each other any way despite the differances. Christ is Risen! Truly He is Risen! Dear Troll, The Ecumenical Patriarch is the first among equals of all of Orthodoxy not in schism. In fact, he represents the particular bit of Orthodoxy you claim to belong to. The EP and the Pope are NOT in full communion. Now, wee troll, please go away again and do not return until you have spent some quality time with a dictionary. After you have looked up all your spelling errors, start looking at: Charity Love Unity Peace And all the other words that the Orthodox employ in their litanies as they pray for the union of the churches. You have insulted too many on this forum already today. Our lady in Glasgow, who NEVER raises her voice, has gotten quite irked at you...Shame on you.... Gaudior, annoyed
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How Christian of you to point out all my personel flaws. Take the log out of your own eye first lady. And no the EP doesnt represent any other Orthodox Church besides the Greek Orthodox Church under the Ecumenical Patriarchate. He is first among equals but is not the head of the Orthodox Church, saying this would be heresy. All Orthodox Christians look to there specific Patriarchate, depending on which jurisdiction they belong to. Yes the Pope and the EP are not in "Communion" with each other in the publica eye, but you would be kidding yourself if you think they dont commune each other when there is no publicity around. They already pray with each other, concelebrate with each other, this can be seen in a many of photographs. how self glorifying. Poor Sinner In Christ Nektarios
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Originally posted by ByzantineAscetic: How Christian of you to point out all my personel flaws. Take the log out of your own eye first lady.
And no the EP doesnt represent any other Orthodox Church besides the Greek Orthodox Church under the Ecumenical Patriarchate.
He is first among equals but is not the head of the Orthodox Church, saying this would be heresy.
All Orthodox Christians look to there specific Patriarchate, depending on which jurisdiction they belong to.
Yes the Pope and the EP are not in "Communion" with each other in the publica eye, but you would be kidding yourself if you think they dont commune each other when there is no publicity around. They already pray with each other, concelebrate with each other, this can be seen in a many of photographs.
how self glorifying.
Poor Sinner In Christ
Nektarios Christ is Risen! Truly He is Risen! Poor sinner indeed! Unable to think or read for yourself! The "lady in Glasgow" refers not to myself, but to our own Anhelyna, whom you have angered. Self-glorifying, indeed!  Do you NEVER look at posts? As to the Pope and the EP communing each other? Dear whelp, have you lost your mind? Gaudior, who does NOT reside in Glasgow. :p
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Originally posted by ByzantineAscetic: Christos Anesti! Alithos Anesti! Dear DANIEL, Please do tell us what you are trying to accomplish here. I'm sure many of us would appreciate enlightenment. Oύτις ημιν φιλει ου φροντίδα | Nemo nos diliget non curamus
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I see that Daniel / StBenedictRule / ByzantineAscetic / Nektarios has not yet learned the basics of Christian charity. He obviously has not taken his embracement of Orthodoxy very seriously.
I ask Daniel to contact me via private message or e-mail before posting again.
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I have taken my embracement of Orthodoxy extremely seriously thats why I have alot of problems with the EP and his ecumenistic actions.
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I will contact you privatley
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I have taken my embracement of Orthodoxy extremely seriously thats why I have alot of problems with the EP and his ecumenistic actions. I often wonder, with all due respect, do some people embrace the spirituality of Orthodoxy...thus enabling themselves to grow in love for our Lord and for others, or do they espouse Orthodoxy as a means of going against something, thus bringing into their hearts and their souls an intense intolerance and disdain for others...namely, the Western Catholic church? I find this observation, if correct, very sad and shameful in its hijacking of what Orthodox Christianity really is about. With no particular offense meant to anybody, for we are ALL created in the image of our Lord, Alice
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Christ is Risen!
Truly He is Risen!
Dear Alice,
Sadly, there are those who believe that not only the Latin Catholic Church, but the Eastern Catholic Church, and the, to use their phrase "World Orthodox Churches" and the Protestants, are damned. These people claim to be Orthodox.
Daniel/Nektarios has been listening at the feet of those who believe that there are about 5 Orthodox Christians left, and that his own Church, the Antiochians, are not among them. These people are not Orthodox, as you have pointed out, they miss totally the love of Christ. They concern themselves with legalisms which are certainly in some cases vailid issues, but they do this at the expense of working out their own salvation.
Our Lord himself ate with sinners, and gave thanks with them, by which many were converted. St. John Chrysostom advises us not to expose the flaws of the brethren. How does love and forgiveness and teaching hurt people? Shunning and harsh words and legalism was part of what killed our Lord.
We need to pray for Daniel/Nektarios, that he cease the path of folly he is on, and turn away from the words of heretics and schismatics, before their words poison his soul any further. May he seek the guidance of his Spiritual Father, and of Fr. Averky, who will certianly tell him to speak in love and charity, so that he does not lead others into the sin of anger as he has done today.
Gaudior, apologizing to the board for posts made in haste and anger, with humble bow (in the third person)
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All Orthodox Christians, are called to spit apon heresy and hate heresy. And Orthodoxy does infact believe that the Roman "Catholic Church" is in heresy. So I am in a correct prospective. Nektarios has been listening at the feet of those who believe that there are about 5 Orthodox Christians left, and that his own Church, the Antiochians, are not among them. Yes I have been listening at the feet of thouse Traditionalist you speak of. Here is a quote from one. �We know that salvation itself is a property of the One Church, and that no one can be outside of the catholic Church and yet share the Faith of Christ, or be saved�Neither do we offer any part of that hope to the ungodly heretics, but we place them entirely outside of that hope; indeed, they have not the least participation in Christ, but vainly assume for themselves that saving Name.�
-St. John Chrysostom, Archbishop of Constantinople (4th Century AD)
[Migne P. G. 59:725] Here is another quote from one of thouse crazy's. "Another thing the blessed man taught and insisted upon with all was never on any occasion whatsoever to associate with heretics and, above all, never to take the Holy Communion with them, 'even if', the blessed man said, 'you remain without communicating all your life, if through stress of circumstances you cannot find a community of the catholic Church. For if, having legally married a wife in this world of the flesh, we are forbidden by God and by the laws to desert her and be united to another woman, even though we have to spend a long time separated from her in a distant country, and shall incur punishment if we violate our vows, how then shall we, who have been joined to God through the Orthodox faith and the catholic Church -- as the apostle says: 'I espoused you to one husband that I might present you as a pure virgin to Christ' (2 Cor. 11:2) -- how shall we escape from sharing in that punishment which in the world to come awaits heretics, if we defile the Orthodox and holy faith by adulterous communion with heretics?'
"For 'communion', he said, 'has been so called because he who has 'communion' has things in common and agrees with those with whom he has 'communion'. Therefore I implore you earnestly, children, never to go near the oratories of the heretics in order to communicate there.'"
-St. John the Almsgiver, Patriarch of Alexandria (7th Century AD)
[Three Byzantine Saints, "The Life of Saint John the Almsgiver",
Translators: Elizabeth Dawes & Norman H. Baynes,
St. Vladimir's Seminary Press, Crestwood: 1977; p. 251] So yes indeed my dear Gaudior, I do listen to these types of people as you can see from the quotes above. In Christ Nektarios P.S. My name is Nektarios not Daniel/Nektarios. Thanks.
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